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Richard....
The term "ten-tenths" was used back when I was involved actively in
m/racing and was simply a way of saying that you gave it your all.  If
it has been bastardised since then, so be it, but I was using the
expression as I recall it being used.

See, with Spa, Eau Rouge is not representative of the greater percentage
of corners on the circuit.  It is, in fact, the "oddball".  Back in the
days before aerodynamics came into play a car would be set up for the
other 99% of the circuit....suspension settings being about the only
things that could be played with (apart from gearbox ratios).  Eau Rouge
would be taken with a great deal of trepidation due to the rapid change
in direction and subsequently the wild changes in the direction of
forces acting on car and driver.

Therefore, for a driver to take that section of the circuit at anything
approaching "ten-tenths" (as per original meaning) meant that he really
was demonstrating enormous bravado.

With regard to your comment that you have a car that is too stable
through Eau Rouge, therefore the driving model may be less than perfect,
does it really matter?
This *is* a computer game that we are talking about, after all, that is
available to the public for less than $100.  It is not a multi-million
dollar simulator.
And be honest.......what are the chances of *you* driving a current F1
car around Spa at racing speeds?!  Zero?  If so, then the fact that the
modelling of the dynamics in this or any other such simulation may be
less than 100% accurate is a moot point.  You are never going to know
the difference anyway.

No...I haven't found a way to have F1RS automatically setup the
settings......which is why I already have a rather extensive library of
Configuration, Race Mode and Car settings.  But this fact doesn't irk me
to the extent that I would bother complaining about it: that's the way
they've presented the menu system so I live with it.  It is French,
after all!

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Bruce.
(At home)

That isn't what I was talking about. So it seems that we were talking about
the same thing after all. That is great :-) FWIW, I am referring to the
slight
rearend wiggle/fishtail coming out of turns because of too much power.
Not really the 4-5 fishtail deal. However if the tires keep spinning from
over acceleration it can happen.

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Sure there is a chance the F1RS model is less than perfect. I believe
the arguement is that the driving model is much better than GP2 overall.
I guess not being a real driver I have no idea why this is not true.

If you are talking about car setups, no there isn't a way. You need to load
the setup for the car/circuit every time you restart F1RS. The GAME setup
is the same everytime until you change the mode MODE from GP to
Time Attack, but I doubt you are referring to this. It doesn't seem that
that big
of a deal to me to load my car setup every time I relaunch F1RS.

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says...

Yeah, get the coupe, the convertible's too wobbly.

Brian

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Many of my problems with GP2 at the time had to do with the lack of
weather and the heavy hardware requirements.  The tracks also had a
lot of problems.  I'm not sure what else you might be referring to.
Perhaps you could refresh my memory.

I think that ultimately if you look at the # of hours I spent on any
one sim, ICR2 would have to come out on top.  GP2 and NASCAR/2 would
come in second.

Randy

Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:59:36 +1100, Bruce Kennewell

Less <g>

No, but I relish the challenge offered by sims. I'm not a real driver and
never will be. Sims provide a means to get somewhere towards it and with
just about each major sim release it usually gets a little closer (IMHO,
CPR is the significant exception). F1RS is by far the closest in
simulating the entire experience and is closer than GP2 through slow
corners. But IMHO it's a slight step backward at the very high speed
corners.

I'm not down on F1RS, I just don't think it is better in every
department.

Shame, you had me believing for a moment <g>

Agreed, now I've got used to it, it's certainly livable with. But I did
lose some decent setups before I got used to it :(

And, boy does it show it <g>

Cheers,
Richard

Randy-- I'm certainly not going to insert my nose into this spin cycle,
but what ever happened to the CPR patch question, I wonder?

Have *you* heard anything about Build 90 being the last, best gasp
before TRI goes tripping to see g.o.d., or is Microsoft -- having
conceded round one of the DOJ bout in the hopes of conserving their
strength for the contempt battle to come -- about to have a ringside
conversion to righteousness in customer service and lay the gospel upon
us concerning the future of CPR? Or what?

Getcha free Netscape Communicator code right here, right now!!

Bart Brown

On second thought, do you think the thunderous silence of one hand
clapping means that CPR has been dissed and dismissed out of hand by the
NG's resident stim-heads? Although a couple "CPR-subject-head" threads
are still groaning around the wall of death in here, nothing substantive
has been said about the actual sim or its patches (I'm dependin' on ya,
son!) for many a diurnal twirl. Has the moving hand writ, and having
writ, moved on, or is there life in the old code yet? Give the damn
thing some CPR! Maybe we can get a pulse...

Bart Brown

Ever get the impression Bart Spencer is obsessed with Microsoft?

Check out his postings - see his ramblings and the unfolding
saga of his (fruitless) quest for a reply from MS.

Did you have a bad experience with Excel as a child, Bart?

He seems to miss MS the most - and wasn't he one of the people
who originally celebrated their departure from ras?

I think that's called IRONY.

And PITIFUL.

Dean has posted on the Apex site  that there will be continued support and
there will be a CPR2.

(snip)

And, boy does it show it <g>
(unsnip)

Richard,
Before you start a session of F1RS, do what I do:  uncork a bottle of
(French) Champagne, raise your (filled) glass in the direction of Paris
and hum several bars of "La Marseilles"!!

During the course of the game, empty the bottle of Champagne and, by the
end of your session, the menus will have started to make sense. :-)

--
Bruce
(at work)

"Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get
tired."
(Jules Renard)

On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:44:24 +0100, "Joachim Trensz"

Hi Achim!,

It would be interesting to know if he had ever actually raced one -
driving a few laps in a hobbled car at a corporate event is a little
different to driving at realistic F1 speeds!

Still, even if it were the former that's a lot more experience than I've
got.

Must be different driving styles as I find F1RS slightly (but only
slightly) simpler than GP2. All those subtleties that we found in GP2
just don't seem to be there in F1RS. It may not be the driving model
though - I think that F1RS is hampered by using the Win95 joystick
routines. I really don't think they are up to the accuracy required by a
top sim :(

Everyone's opinion changes and I'll not hold an 18 month old opinion
against him ;-) As for the beta tester bit, yes it might show bias but it
also indicates that he is capable of providing good feedback on a sim.
That's not an easy thing to do. Like you I can say that something 'feels'
right or wrong, but actually trying to describe it in a manner that can
be taken on board by the developers is a rare skill, and one I really
wish I had - I would sell my mother to be a beta tester for GPL ;-))

Cheers,
Richard

I have absolutely no idea what's going with CPR from either
Microsoft's or TRI's point of view.  All I can do is surmise, just
like you.  My feeling is that Microsoft will probably look for some
other small development shop they can hand off next year's version to.
I seriously doubt we'll see any patches unless there's something in
TRI's contract which requires them to fix their existing code.  Next
year's version could be a re-write, or simply an update once the new
development team learns the code.  At this point, I just have no idea
what's going on.  Its not great news for us CART fans.

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

l8er
ronny

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