rec.autos.simulators

Umm, perhaps most realistic physics and most respectful of F1 racing.  Maybe it
was sunny every single day in 1967 but not where I lived.

Good race realism in TOCA2 with pit stop and tire choice strategy decisions but
you'll soon outrun the AI and some say the FWD simulation is suspect.  Good
fender to fender stuff though.  Also TOCA's Copse at Silverstone in the rain is
a challenge GPL won't give you!

You're right.  It's fun and pretty but better if you haven't earned a
real-world drivers license. ;-)

I've D/L the Rally championship 2000 demo and find that this is a very nice
Sim. I do hope that it will be release in time. But before this, i'll like
to know others which is available at this moment.

BTW, do you guys find NFS: HS realistic? I really like the***pit and the
graphic in it but was finding this game to be like an arcade game. Any
comments?

Hope to have some of you guys comments.

Thanks.
Philip.

Jan.
----

Toca2 is not that great.  Infact the orginal SCGT demo with no physics hack
felt better then Toca2.  For me SCGT is the best modern racing game.  The
AI does need a bit of work and GPL AI beat SCGTs hands down, but for a game
that has a good feel of a slick tired racing car SCGT is great.  Toca2 is
too oversteery for me.

Dave

Jean

Rally Championship will be released next Friday (19th). I think you'll find
that to be the most realistic and complete sim ever made.

David G Fisher

===>Remove "Spam Jammer" to reply<===

In terms of recreation of the entire racing environment, perhaps SCGT would
take the prize, theough there has been a lot of criticism of its physics
model.

My personal experience is that all the sims I've tried except GPL and VR now
feel rather "dead" to me, like driving by remote control.

Sky

GPL is a great game, and well if I ever drove a BT24 with the Repco and old
tires then it might be right.  The game play is great and online is great.
If you want online racing then go that way.

Viper racing well I do not own it.  I tried Demo and got a bit bored since
it was only one car.

Well I am not sure why they have a gripe there.  It reacts very similar to
my Solo ll car which runs slicks,  I really just wish the AI was better.
The grip may be a bit on the high side since the cars do run laps faster
then real ones.  I do however enjoy it the most, it may be also due to I do
not have the time to commit to be fast again in GPL.  It takes a while to
get good and also aa bit of driving every week to maintain it.  Well with 3
kids, a wife and a race car to feed I just do not have the time to commit
to it anymore.

Have fun,

Dave

Nascar 3 and Legends are very good, no question the most realistic Nascar
sims to date.
Nascar Revolution by EA is way to arcadish for me.
--
Don Burnette
Dburn in N3 and Legends

If it's too oversteery for you, then you havn't set the car up...I found
that to begin with, but you have to a)Use an FF wheel, you'll find you
get what I think is better feedback than GPL...My opinion - no flaming
please.  b)Set the car up (spring rates higher at the front)

Oh - one hint for any TOCA 2 driver...to be quick, you must have ALL the
downforce turned off...just a stupid feature of the game !!

However - stupidities apart (GPL has it's fair share) I believe TOCA 2
is WELL worth a spin at the moment - it looks good, the tracks are nice
(apart from the run from Paddock Hill bend to Druids at Brands Hatch)

I've given up playing GPL...REPEAT "PLAYING". because it's not really
fun any more. However, I'll happily leg it around Brands Hatch in the
Honda, trying to find my way around paddock hill bend without hitting
that ***Y GREAT BUMP IN THE ROAD that is prone to throwing you into
the wall.

I prefer TOCA 2 - not because it's easier to win--it's just more FUN.
That, surely, is the point!?!

Doug

--
Cheers,

Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Nrburgring and Grand Prix Legends

| > Toca2 is not that great.  Infact the orginal SCGT demo with no physics
hack
| > felt better then Toca2.  For me SCGT is the best modern racing game.
The
| > AI does need a bit of work and GPL AI beat SCGTs hands down, but for a
game
| > that has a good feel of a slick tired racing car SCGT is great.  Toca2
is
| > too oversteery for me.
|
| If it's too oversteery for you, then you havn't set the car up...I found
| that to begin with, but you have to a)Use an FF wheel, you'll find you
| get what I think is better feedback than GPL...My opinion - no flaming
| please.  b)Set the car up (spring rates higher at the front)
|
| Oh - one hint for any TOCA 2 driver...to be quick, you must have ALL the
| downforce turned off...just a stupid feature of the game !!
|
| However - stupidities apart (GPL has it's fair share) I believe TOCA 2
| is WELL worth a spin at the moment - it looks good, the tracks are nice
| (apart from the run from Paddock Hill bend to Druids at Brands Hatch)
|
| I've given up playing GPL...REPEAT "PLAYING". because it's not really
| fun any more. However, I'll happily leg it around Brands Hatch in the
| Honda, trying to find my way around paddock hill bend without hitting
| that ***Y GREAT BUMP IN THE ROAD that is prone to throwing you into
| the wall.
|
| I prefer TOCA 2 - not because it's easier to win--it's just more FUN.
| That, surely, is the point!?!
|
| Doug

I tried the TOCA 2 demo.  I was _HIGHLY_ disappointed with the feel of the car
and amount of enjoyment I got from playing it.  The physics model does not
model understeer at all.  The rear tires just suddenly lose all traction like
you hit ice if you try to go too fast, no matter what you do with the car
setup.  It's just not too enjoyable of a game for me.

Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited
http://www.racesimcentral.net/