rec.autos.simulators

>   Just bought the full version last night for $40 at Sams Club.  It's no
> sim by a long shot, but for pure high-speed driving fun in *** cars,
> this game is sweet.  There isn't a lot of innovation in gameplay from the
> previous versions (in fact some things are worse, lke the replay system.)
> The cops are a lot smarter now and will try to do rolling roadblocks, spin
> you out by hitting your back fender, and things like that.  The graphics
> are top-notch of course, and the tracks are long and full of nice scenery
> with multiple alternate routes, sometimes it seems you have 3 or more roads
> to choose from.  Hawaii (I guess it's Hawaii) has been really impressive
> with it's volcanos, lava flows, waterfalls, and native villages.

> > Of COURSE it's a sim--it has vehicular physics, yes? That counts as a
> > simulation. Duh. While the NFS series is more action-oriented than
> > most sims, it's still a driving simulation series, despite what some
> > "die-hard sim fans" may say.

>   Oh not YOU again, Mr. Literal,  Mr. Clinton, that depends on what the
> meaning of "is" is...

>   Ok, so the cars don't fly, or go straight through solid objects.  There
> are some physics at work.  But when people say a "sim" they mean it's
> pretty close to Real Life(tm).  I'd like to see you drive half the speed
of
> NFS6 and stay on the road.  I'd like to see you collide with a tree at 150
> MPH and drive away.  Please, won't you try it??

>   The presence of some physics doesn't mean a game is a sim.  Is Super
> Mario Brothers a sim because it has gravity?

> -Mr. Plow

> > Of COURSE it's a sim--it has vehicular physics, yes? That counts as a
> > simulation. Duh. While the NFS series is more action-oriented than
> > most sims, it's still a driving simulation series, despite what some
> > "die-hard sim fans" may say.

>   Oh not YOU again, Mr. Literal,  Mr. Clinton, that depends on what the
> meaning of "is" is...

>   Ok, so the cars don't fly, or go straight through solid objects.  There
> are some physics at work.  But when people say a "sim" they mean it's
> pretty close to Real Life(tm).  I'd like to see you drive half the speed
of
> NFS6 and stay on the road.  I'd like to see you collide with a tree at 150
> MPH and drive away.  Please, won't you try it??

>   The presence of some physics doesn't mean a game is a sim.  Is Super
> Mario Brothers a sim because it has gravity?

> -Mr. Plow

> > Of COURSE it's a sim--it has vehicular physics, yes? That counts as a
> > simulation. Duh. While the NFS series is more action-oriented than
> > most sims, it's still a driving simulation series, despite what some
> > "die-hard sim fans" may say.

>   Oh not YOU again, Mr. Literal,  Mr. Clinton, that depends on what the
> meaning of "is" is...

>   Ok, so the cars don't fly, or go straight through solid objects.  There
> are some physics at work.  But when people say a "sim" they mean it's
> pretty close to Real Life(tm).  I'd like to see you drive half the speed of
> NFS6 and stay on the road.  I'd like to see you collide with a tree at 150
> MPH and drive away.  Please, won't you try it??

>   The presence of some physics doesn't mean a game is a sim.  Is Super
> Mario Brothers a sim because it has gravity?

> No worries, all the rest of us new what you meant.

> > > Of COURSE it's a sim--it has vehicular physics, yes? That counts as a
> > > simulation. Duh. While the NFS series is more action-oriented than
> > > most sims, it's still a driving simulation series, despite what some
> > > "die-hard sim fans" may say.

> >   Oh not YOU again, Mr. Literal,  Mr. Clinton, that depends on what the
> > meaning of "is" is...

> >   Ok, so the cars don't fly, or go straight through solid objects.  There
> > are some physics at work.  But when people say a "sim" they mean it's
> > pretty close to Real Life(tm).  I'd like to see you drive half the speed of
> > NFS6 and stay on the road.  I'd like to see you collide with a tree at 150
> > MPH and drive away.  Please, won't you try it??

> >   The presence of some physics doesn't mean a game is a sim.  Is Super
> > Mario Brothers a sim because it has gravity?

> > > Of COURSE it's a sim--it has vehicular physics, yes? That counts as a
> > > simulation. Duh. While the NFS series is more action-oriented than
> > > most sims, it's still a driving simulation series, despite what some
> > > "die-hard sim fans" may say.

> >   Oh not YOU again, Mr. Literal,  Mr. Clinton, that depends on what the
> > meaning of "is" is...

> >   Ok, so the cars don't fly, or go straight through solid objects.
There
> > are some physics at work.  But when people say a "sim" they mean it's
> > pretty close to Real Life(tm).  I'd like to see you drive half the speed
of
> > NFS6 and stay on the road.  I'd like to see you collide with a tree at
150
> > MPH and drive away.  Please, won't you try it??

> >   The presence of some physics doesn't mean a game is a sim.  Is Super
> > Mario Brothers a sim because it has gravity?

> Yes, it is--relatively. Learn to think relatively and you'll understand

>   People will never be able to relate to you if you can't agree on
> the most basic common terms.

> Of COURSE it's a sim--it has vehicular physics, yes? That counts as a simulation. Duh. While the NFS series is more action-oriented than most sims, it's still a driving simulation series, despite what some "die-hard sim fans" may say.

> > > > Of COURSE it's a sim--it has vehicular physics, yes? That counts as a
> > > > simulation. Duh. While the NFS series is more action-oriented than
> > > > most sims, it's still a driving simulation series, despite what some
> > > > "die-hard sim fans" may say.

> > >   Oh not YOU again, Mr. Literal,  Mr. Clinton, that depends on what the
> > > meaning of "is" is...

> > >   Ok, so the cars don't fly, or go straight through solid objects. There
> > > are some physics at work.  But when people say a "sim" they mean it's
> > > pretty close to Real Life(tm).  I'd like to see you drive half the speed of
> > > NFS6 and stay on the road.  I'd like to see you collide with a tree at 150
> > > MPH and drive away.  Please, won't you try it??

> > >   The presence of some physics doesn't mean a game is a sim.  Is Super
> > > Mario Brothers a sim because it has gravity?

> > Yes, it is--relatively. Learn to think relatively and you'll understand
> how just about EVERY game is a sim and how the NFS series is a driving sim.
> Attempt to think, nitwit.

> While your'e at it; could you please elaborate the true meaning of "arcade"
> as well?

> > Yes, it is--relatively. Learn to think relatively and you'll
> > understand how just about EVERY game is a sim and how the NFS series
> > is a driving sim. Attempt to think, nitwit.

>   Well, if YOU think that just about every game is a "sim", then more
> obviously than ever you're living in your own little world.  When people
> say "sim" in reference to games, they mean it is a technical simulation of
> real life in as many ways as possible.  NFS6 looks & sounds like real life,
> but only acts like real life in the most basic ways.  It ignores tons of
> real physics and therefore, to everyone else on USENET but you, is not a
> "sim"!

>   People will never be able to relate to you if you can't agree on
> the most basic common terms.

> > Of COURSE it's a sim--it has vehicular physics, yes? That counts as a simulation. Duh. While the NFS series is more action-oriented than most sims, it's still a driving simulation series, despite what some "die-hard sim fans" may say.

>   From the reviews I have seen, Hot Pursuit 2 is not a sim.

>   Of course, you argue it's all "relative".  And you have a point.
> But your point can be taken too far.

>   I'm surprised, you love realistic physics so much in FPS games, and
> you DEMAND them so much, yet when it comes to driving games, you can't
> see how a series like Need for Speed has simple physics, at best.
> Porsche Unleashed is probably the exception.

> > > > > Of COURSE it's a sim--it has vehicular physics, yes? That counts
as a
> > > > > simulation. Duh. While the NFS series is more action-oriented than
> > > > > most sims, it's still a driving simulation series, despite what
some
> > > > > "die-hard sim fans" may say.

> > > >   Oh not YOU again, Mr. Literal,  Mr. Clinton, that depends on what
the
> > > > meaning of "is" is...

> > > >   Ok, so the cars don't fly, or go straight through solid objects.
There
> > > > are some physics at work.  But when people say a "sim" they mean
it's
> > > > pretty close to Real Life(tm).  I'd like to see you drive half the
speed of
> > > > NFS6 and stay on the road.  I'd like to see you collide with a tree
at 150
> > > > MPH and drive away.  Please, won't you try it??

> > > >   The presence of some physics doesn't mean a game is a sim.  Is
Super
> > > > Mario Brothers a sim because it has gravity?

> > > Yes, it is--relatively. Learn to think relatively and you'll
understand
> > how just about EVERY game is a sim and how the NFS series is a driving
sim.
> > Attempt to think, nitwit.

> > While your'e at it; could you please elaborate the true meaning of
"arcade"
> > as well?

> I think "arcade" is even more obtuse and vague but to me it basically

> > > > > > Of COURSE it's a sim--it has vehicular physics, yes? That counts
> as a
> > > > > > simulation. Duh. While the NFS series is more action-oriented than
> > > > > > most sims, it's still a driving simulation series, despite what
> some
> > > > > > "die-hard sim fans" may say.

> > > > >   Oh not YOU again, Mr. Literal,  Mr. Clinton, that depends on what
> the
> > > > > meaning of "is" is...

> > > > >   Ok, so the cars don't fly, or go straight through solid objects.
> There
> > > > > are some physics at work.  But when people say a "sim" they mean
> it's
> > > > > pretty close to Real Life(tm).  I'd like to see you drive half the
> speed of
> > > > > NFS6 and stay on the road.  I'd like to see you collide with a tree
> at 150
> > > > > MPH and drive away.  Please, won't you try it??

> > > > >   The presence of some physics doesn't mean a game is a sim.  Is
> Super
> > > > > Mario Brothers a sim because it has gravity?

> > > > Yes, it is--relatively. Learn to think relatively and you'll
> understand
> > > how just about EVERY game is a sim and how the NFS series is a driving
> sim.
> > > Attempt to think, nitwit.

> > > While your'e at it; could you please elaborate the true meaning of
> "arcade"
> > > as well?

> > I think "arcade" is even more obtuse and vague but to me it basically
> applies to fairly simple (read "mindless") games with LOTS of action and
> very little thought needed to play (which is why "arcade" games make up most
> console games since they're mainly directed towards kids). "Arcade" mostly
> includes elements from platform, sim, and puzzle genres but, of course,
> aren't limited to them only.

> Is NFS6 an arcade title by your definition?