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Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

Tim (fusio

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by Tim (fusio » Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:00:00

OK, so I'm skimming through the threads, and the consensus seems to be
that mainstream sources are bagging GPL because of it's difficult
driving model, and people that don't like it are lightweights that
only like arcade games.

Another game comes to mind, just as difficult, perhaps even MORE
difficult to master, yet I can't remember seeing a bad review on it...
SODA. I can remember it getting 85-90% ratings in a few mainstream
publications.

Now for the heretical part, but please let me qualify my comments
before you string me between two Ferrari's and take off in separate
directions...

I love cars, motorcycles and sims that pertain to them. I ride and
occasionally race dirt bikes, I've owned and driven trucks off-road.
I played SODA a lot, and I played GPL a bit, but...

I lost interest in it rather quickly. It just doesn't grab me.
I appreciate the physics model, and I see the greatness, believe me.
I have a hard time quantifying this, because although I'm not a rabid
fan of modern vintage racing, I'll watch it whenever it comes on, and
I do love the cars themselves.
Someone can call me a lightweight for not liking a sim with difficult
physics, but doesn't the fact that I stuck with SODA sort of prove
otherwise? Am I the lone outcast that feels this way?
Basically, it's a great sim, just not great for me? I dunno.

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XCR6

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by XCR6 » Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:00:00

 Youre entittled to your opinion. If ya dont like it ya dont like it. The same
way some of us dont see the challenge in Quake (or the other Q lookalikes <G>).
Just our opinion. Everyones different, and has different likes/dislikes
]

Wine Oh

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by Wine Oh » Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Tim, I would agree with your comments about GPL....

It's an interesting game, but unless you have hours and hours of free time,
to devote to honing your skills (read that, no life(-: ) you'll find that
GPL is most frustrating!

I for one prefer being able to jump into a car/sim and within a half hour of
playing around with it, be able to be competitive on a given circuit with
the computer AI drivers.

I don't have the time to fiddle around with car setups, to study replays or
the time to put into a game like GPL just to develop my driving sim skills.

Does this mean that I dislike GPL ? ..................No,
Does this mean I'm a lousy driver?  ..................No,

All I'm saying is that I would welcome any cheats or tools that I could
download and incorporate into this game to give it the drive-ability of
games like ToCA, or NFS ....

I would also speculate that most of the people who post to this newsgroup,
defending GPL as the next best thing since Christ are people with too much
time on their hands, or folks who don't have a life.

Probably the under 18 crowd who live with Mom and Dad, and spend their
evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on
end.

Don't take that as a flame....., hell I did the same thing when I was a kid,
but folks who love racing, and racing sims, but who have families, jobs and
responsibilities other than to themselves (like me) don't have the kind of
free time required to develop the skills necessary to excel at GPL.

And therefore may find it a bit frustrating, causing them to loose interest
rather quickly. Taking this into account, I would say that the various game
magazine reviews that have been kicked about on this forum lately are fair
and accurate, despite what the die hard, "I've given up all my free time to
GPL" types would have you believe.

KCDC

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by KCDC » Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Well, we have a GPL racing league full of people over 40. Most of us have
full time demanding jobs, and a family. GPL demands enormous amounts of
time, but I love it! No other computer sim has held my attention for more
than passing use.

My girlfriend puts up with it. And I'm having a blast! I love F1 racing, and
particularly cars of this era. GPL is realism is good enough that the racing
fascinates me, and I suspect the others in our league who have spent the
hours required to learn the tracks and set-up the cars feel the same.

Kevin Caldwell
Calgary, Canada


>Tim, I would agree with your comments about GPL....

>It's an interesting game, but unless you have hours and hours of free time,
>to devote to honing your skills (read that, no life(-: ) you'll find that
>GPL is most frustrating!
>I would also speculate that most of the people who post to this newsgroup,
>defending GPL as the next best thing since Christ are people with too much
>time on their hands, or folks who don't have a life.

>Probably the under 18 crowd who live with Mom and Dad, and spend their
>evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on
>end.

KPineb

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by KPineb » Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:00:00



>Tim, I would agree with your comments about GPL....

>It's an interesting game, but unless you have hours and hours of free time,
>to devote to honing your skills (read that, no life(-: ) you'll find that
>GPL is most frustrating!

>I for one prefer being able to jump into a car/sim and within a half hour of
>playing around with it, be able to be competitive on a given circuit with
>the computer AI drivers.

>I don't have the time to fiddle around with car setups, to study replays or
>the time to put into a game like GPL just to develop my driving sim skills.

>Does this mean that I dislike GPL ? ..................No,
>Does this mean I'm a lousy driver?  ..................No,

>All I'm saying is that I would welcome any cheats or tools that I could
>download and incorporate into this game to give it the drive-ability of
>games like ToCA, or NFS ....

All of the above is YOUR opinion based on YOUR experience.  As such, I've got
no problem with it.  You're entitled!  But you fell off track quickly when you
continued with the following ...

<evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on

All of that is a bunch of lame generalizations, assumptions, theories and
judgements not based on fact.  You should give up while you're ahead.

Pinebox

Paul Jone

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by Paul Jone » Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Generally I dislike getting involved with discussions around whether one
sim is better than another - you pays your money and you takes your
choice. I can only give my personal opinion that GPL is worth persevering
with. It is just so much more realistic than any other sim ever made. The
feeling of acheivement to be gained from GPL is without parallel in
computer games - but there is a steep learning curve. Get over that and
you are in danger of getting ***ed. I just want to drive it all the
time. IMO, for the whole experience, graphics, physics, gameplay (yes I
mean gameplay), AI, connectability, artwork, accuracy etc there is not a
sim or driving game that comes close to GPL - and I include SODA, VR, N2,
ICR, GP2, MGP, CMR, IRC, TOCA, NFS3 etc. You may be surprised that I
include arcade games in this bracket and some may argue that for gameplay
or graphics NFS3 is better than GPL, but I believe the converse - I have
certainly had better games of GPL than I have had with NFS3 - and GPLs
graphics though not as round and shiny as NFS3, excel in artwork and depth
in a way unparalleled in any other computer game, driving or otherwise.
And I am over 40.
Stay with it, get over the learning curve, and you will be in sim heaven.
Paul

> OK, so I'm skimming through the threads, and the consensus seems to be
> that mainstream sources are bagging GPL because of it's difficult
> driving model, and people that don't like it are lightweights that
> only like arcade games.

> Another game comes to mind, just as difficult, perhaps even MORE
> difficult to master, yet I can't remember seeing a bad review on it...
> SODA. I can remember it getting 85-90% ratings in a few mainstream
> publications.

> Now for the heretical part, but please let me qualify my comments
> before you string me between two Ferrari's and take off in separate
> directions...

> I love cars, motorcycles and sims that pertain to them. I ride and
> occasionally race dirt bikes, I've owned and driven trucks off-road.
> I played SODA a lot, and I played GPL a bit, but...

> I lost interest in it rather quickly. It just doesn't grab me.
> I appreciate the physics model, and I see the greatness, believe me.
> I have a hard time quantifying this, because although I'm not a rabid
> fan of modern vintage racing, I'll watch it whenever it comes on, and
> I do love the cars themselves.
> Someone can call me a lightweight for not liking a sim with difficult
> physics, but doesn't the fact that I stuck with SODA sort of prove
> otherwise? Am I the lone outcast that feels this way?
> Basically, it's a great sim, just not great for me? I dunno.

> --

>         http://www.racesimcentral.net/~fusion1
>     (dirt bikes, rat bikes, rental car abuse...)

ymenar

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by ymenar » Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Wine Oh! wrote

Everything you said was very good except this part...

Im sorry but...

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buzar

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by buzar » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I'm 49. I have a job, I have a life. After 2 months of perhaps 8 hours of
practice a week I just got down to a 1:30.93 at Monza. That put me 10th
on the grid for the race.

I just complete a few laps of pratice at Monza. I spun at Parabolica and pulled
out in front of a few cars. I decided to make them work if they wanted to pass.
For the next 2 laps, Chris Amon, Bruce McLaren, Pedro Rodriguez and
Jackie Ickx tried everything they could to get by me. We were 3 a***
at several points. I finally got on the gas just a little to hard coming out of
the
second Lesmo and slid 45 degrees across the track in front of these guys.
I straighted out on the inside of the track (with out hitting anything!!!)
got back on the track and set out after them. I caught Ickx in Curve
Grande but got in just a little tto deep a scraped the wall exiting. I never
quite gathered it up and spun in the first Lesmo. There was never any contact
between any of us.

I have "NEVER" had anything like that happen to me in any kind of
computer sim of any kind.

It is a shame that some people are so busy that they are unable to
set aside the time and the attention to become profecient at GPL.
Without the time spent over the last 2 months I never would have been
able to stay ahead of the other drivers for more than a turn or 2.

Those 2 laps were better than everything I have experienced from
all the other sims I have ever had. I will be spending as much time
with GPL as my schedule allows. The more you put into this sim
the more it gives back to you.

buzard




> >Tim, I would agree with your comments about GPL....

> >It's an interesting game, but unless you have hours and hours of free time,
> >to devote to honing your skills (read that, no life(-: ) you'll find that
> >GPL is most frustrating!

> >I for one prefer being able to jump into a car/sim and within a half hour of
> >playing around with it, be able to be competitive on a given circuit with
> >the computer AI drivers.

> >I don't have the time to fiddle around with car setups, to study replays or
> >the time to put into a game like GPL just to develop my driving sim skills.

> >Does this mean that I dislike GPL ? ..................No,
> >Does this mean I'm a lousy driver?  ..................No,

> >All I'm saying is that I would welcome any cheats or tools that I could
> >download and incorporate into this game to give it the drive-ability of
> >games like ToCA, or NFS ....

> All of the above is YOUR opinion based on YOUR experience.  As such, I've got
> no problem with it.  You're entitled!  But you fell off track quickly when you
> continued with the following ...

> >I would also speculate that most of the people who post to this newsgroup,
> >defending GPL as the next best thing since Christ are people with too much
> >time on their hands, or folks who don't have a life.

> >Probably the under 18 crowd who live with Mom and Dad, and spend their
> <evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on
> >end.

> >Don't take that as a flame....., hell I did the same thing when I was a kid,
> >but folks who love racing, and racing sims, but who have families, jobs and
> >responsibilities other than to themselves (like me) don't have the kind of
> >free time required to develop the skills necessary to excel at GPL.

> All of that is a bunch of lame generalizations, assumptions, theories and
> judgements not based on fact.  You should give up while you're ahead.

> Pinebox

Michael E. Carve

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by Michael E. Carve » Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:00:00


<snip>
% I would also speculate that most of the people who post to this newsgroup,
% defending GPL as the next best thing since Christ are people with too much
% time on their hands, or folks who don't have a life.

% Probably the under 18 crowd who live with Mom and Dad, and spend their
% evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on
% end.

I bet that if you took a poll, you would find that the majority of the
GPL posters are just the opposite of what you describe.  It's just that
for us, GPL has become a hobby and we devote our "spare" time to
fulfilling our hobby's demands.

For the record, I am 46 years old, have a steady job, and a loving and
understanding wife.

% Don't take that as a flame....., hell I did the same thing when I was a kid,
% but folks who love racing, and racing sims, but who have families, jobs and
% responsibilities other than to themselves (like me) don't have the kind of
% free time required to develop the skills necessary to excel at GPL.

% And therefore may find it a bit frustrating, causing them to loose interest
% rather quickly. Taking this into account, I would say that the various game
% magazine reviews that have been kicked about on this forum lately are fair
% and accurate, despite what the die hard, "I've given up all my free time to
% GPL" types would have you believe.

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Clancy Wild

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by Clancy Wild » Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I agree 100% with your post and must add I didnt find GPL any fun
for me. Personally I think Papy made a big market boo-boo not
including some easier play in it. We'll find out soon by
how quick GPL lands in the bargain bins.

> It's an interesting game, but unless you have hours and hours of free time,
> to devote to honing your skills (read that, no life(-: ) you'll find that
> GPL is most frustrating!

> I for one prefer being able to jump into a car/sim and within a half hour of
> playing around with it, be able to be competitive on a given circuit with
> the computer AI drivers.

> I don't have the time to fiddle around with car setups, to study replays or
> the time to put into a game like GPL just to develop my driving sim skills.

> Does this mean that I dislike GPL ? ..................No,
> Does this mean I'm a lousy driver?  ..................No,

> All I'm saying is that I would welcome any cheats or tools that I could
> download and incorporate into this game to give it the drive-ability of
> games like ToCA, or NFS ....

> I would also speculate that most of the people who post to this newsgroup,
> defending GPL as the next best thing since Christ are people with too much
> time on their hands, or folks who don't have a life.

> Probably the under 18 crowd who live with Mom and Dad, and spend their
> evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on
> end.

> Don't take that as a flame....., hell I did the same thing when I was a kid,
> but folks who love racing, and racing sims, but who have families, jobs and
> responsibilities other than to themselves (like me) don't have the kind of
> free time required to develop the skills necessary to excel at GPL.

> And therefore may find it a bit frustrating, causing them to loose interest
> rather quickly. Taking this into account, I would say that the various game
> magazine reviews that have been kicked about on this forum lately are fair
> and accurate, despite what the die hard, "I've given up all my free time to
> GPL" types would have you believe.

Paul Jone

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by Paul Jone » Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:00:00


And you're competitive.
Paul

Paul Jone

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by Paul Jone » Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:00:00


> And you're competitive.

By which, I meant you're fast - I saw the ambiguity of that only after I
clicked the send button :-)
Paul
Mw421

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by Mw421 » Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>I'm 49. I have a job, I have a life. After 2 months of perhaps 8 hours of
>practice a week I just got down to a 1:30.93 at Monza. That put me 10th
>on the grid for the race.

Good going, and you're so right that:

As for the "I want to be competitive in 1/2 hour" crowd, stick to Nintendo.

MW

Paul Jone

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by Paul Jone » Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Stick with it, Clancy. If you put in the time on this one, it will reap rewards. I
spent ages learning to drive these machines and now a can't get out of them,
Paul

> I agree 100% with your post and must add I didnt find GPL any fun
> for me. Personally I think Papy made a big market boo-boo not
> including some easier play in it. We'll find out soon by
> how quick GPL lands in the bargain bins.


> > It's an interesting game, but unless you have hours and hours of free time,
> > to devote to honing your skills (read that, no life(-: ) you'll find that
> > GPL is most frustrating!

> > I for one prefer being able to jump into a car/sim and within a half hour of
> > playing around with it, be able to be competitive on a given circuit with
> > the computer AI drivers.

> > I don't have the time to fiddle around with car setups, to study replays or
> > the time to put into a game like GPL just to develop my driving sim skills.

> > Does this mean that I dislike GPL ? ..................No,
> > Does this mean I'm a lousy driver?  ..................No,

> > All I'm saying is that I would welcome any cheats or tools that I could
> > download and incorporate into this game to give it the drive-ability of
> > games like ToCA, or NFS ....

> > I would also speculate that most of the people who post to this newsgroup,
> > defending GPL as the next best thing since Christ are people with too much
> > time on their hands, or folks who don't have a life.

> > Probably the under 18 crowd who live with Mom and Dad, and spend their
> > evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on
> > end.

> > Don't take that as a flame....., hell I did the same thing when I was a kid,
> > but folks who love racing, and racing sims, but who have families, jobs and
> > responsibilities other than to themselves (like me) don't have the kind of
> > free time required to develop the skills necessary to excel at GPL.

> > And therefore may find it a bit frustrating, causing them to loose interest
> > rather quickly. Taking this into account, I would say that the various game
> > magazine reviews that have been kicked about on this forum lately are fair
> > and accurate, despite what the die hard, "I've given up all my free time to
> > GPL" types would have you believe.

Todd D

Heretical comment on GPL difficulty and mediocre reviews.

by Todd D » Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>For the record, I am 46 years old, have a steady job, and a loving and
>understanding wife.

Damn, and at 35 I thought I was old. :-)

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