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F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

David G Fishe

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by David G Fishe » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:07:34

How come no one is ***ing about MS letting RB have the win with 10 laps to
go?

Ferrari did the same thing as in Austria (as has been done thousands of
times in all series) except a little less obviously. More like how Waltrip
let Earnhardt have Talladega.

I guess it's ok in racing to do this as long as Michael Schumacher isn't the
one who benefits. Just like I thought. Pure jealousy was the motivation for
the hysterics after Austria.

MS and RS tought JPM a few lessons today. Beautiful passes. JPM then caused
yet another accident when he hit DC. He has great car control?? Funny how
people will *** at and try to blame MS for an incident like T1 at Malaysia
or Brazil which involve JPM, even though they were both clearly JPM's fault.
When JPM does the same type of thing to DC today though, no one says a word
because it's not MS who was the other driver, and therefor no bogus
opportunity to attack MS.

David G Fisher

John Pancoas

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by John Pancoas » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:26:59



  I didn't watch the race, if that helps answer the question <G>  Haven't
watched one since Austria for that matter; to busy.

John

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Dave Henri

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by Dave Henri » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:50:35



  All I saw were two very slow Williams...  I was howling with laughter at
the SpeedChannel announcers.  Hobb's fake bravado with his recap of MS
heroically racing through the field was hilarious...I even got my wife to
watch and she HATES any racing...  I do recall something that 'seemed' like
a race but only two cars took part.(and they weren't RED!)
  It was nice to see DC racing again....he pinched JPM nicely to the curb.
If JPM had been a bad racer, he would have not moved into the curb and both
would have been wrecked anyway.  I did see Ralfie cause a near-wreck also,
running so slowly at the same turn 1 (where JPM hit DC) he forced (fishie?)
to spin rather than hit Ralf as Fishie passed JV.
  This was a fairly embarrassing race.  The Ferrari's are sooooooooo far
ahead of the other marques that they could get away with staging the end
result.    Until the other brands level the playing field some, there is
nothing to complain about.
dave henrie

Mark Seer

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by Mark Seer » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:52:13



I have done so on other forums. Another engineered result = a race juat as
bad as Austria.

I believe MS spun today as well. He was lucky enough to get away with it.
Funny how the guy can always fall in a bucket of shit and come out smelling
of roses aint it?

MS

Andreas Nystr?

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by Andreas Nystr? » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:32:13

Too me, it looked like they were gonna hold Rubens a bit longer in the 2nd
pitstop, so MS could pass, but
he run into traffic, which slowed him down, and Rubens got out inhead of
him.
Then there was just a staged ending. I thought this was just as bad as in
Austria.
I just ignore the Ferraris in the front. Couldnt care less!.
If it was a good team you could like, and if you could think MS is a nice
guy, then I would love MS and
Ferrari, but to me they are just doing everything for a win at all costs.
*sigh*.

Thank god we have MotoGP instead :)



Douglas Elliso

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by Douglas Elliso » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:19:23



Had MS not been held up by traffic - Ferrari would have got the 1-2 they
wanted - instead of the 1-2 they got.

I'm suprised no one dropped a wheelnut at RB's 2nd pitstop.

After that though - any move on the track would have looked too shocking.

But - lets face it - asking them not to race after the 2nd pit stop -whilst
it might seem sensible - would NOT Have been done if Wednesday wasnt at
stake

Doug

Richard

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by Richard » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:44:07

With Ferrari coming before the FIA this week it would be stupid to do
something on track, like in Austria.
I did read where Todt told Mike to not pass, because he was worried they
might collide.

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Ashley McConnel

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by Ashley McConnel » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:57:51



I thought it was just as bad as austria. MS could and should have taken RB
as he was the faster man on race day (and the whole weekend really).  Its an
even bigger insult to RB as he got a win handed to him as if he was a child
and couldnt do it for himself.  I wish they would just race - obviously
being careful not to take out your teammate.

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Joachim Trens

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by Joachim Trens » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:59:58

That's what distinguishes champions from the rest of the world :-)

Achim


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Joachim Trens

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by Joachim Trens » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:04:49

Hi Doug,

That may be true, but it is irrelevant for the point David
is trying to make ;-)

Achim

Joachim Trens

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by Joachim Trens » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:04:59

I think RB's 2nd pitstop standstill-time was 2 tenths shorter than MS's, 7.6
vs. 7.8 - but this is from memory, I may be wrong

Achim


Goy Larse

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by Goy Larse » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:31:43


> I think RB's 2nd pitstop standstill-time was 2 tenths shorter than MS's, 7.6
> vs. 7.8 - but this is from memory, I may be wrong

You're not wrong

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Andreas Nystr?

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by Andreas Nystr? » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:40:32

No you are right that the clock showed rubens pit faster.
I just ment that i thought they would***up in the pits.


> I think RB's 2nd pitstop standstill-time was 2 tenths shorter than MS's,
7.6
> vs. 7.8 - but this is from memory, I may be wrong

> Achim



> > Too me, it looked like they were gonna hold Rubens a bit longer in the
2nd
> > pitstop, so MS could pass, but
> > he run into traffic, which slowed him down, and Rubens got out inhead of
> > him.
> > Then there was just a staged ending. I thought this was just as bad as
in
> > Austria.
> > I just ignore the Ferraris in the front. Couldnt care less!.
> > If it was a good team you could like, and if you could think MS is a
nice
> > guy, then I would love MS and
> > Ferrari, but to me they are just doing everything for a win at all
costs.
> > *sigh*.

> > Thank god we have MotoGP instead :)

Andreas Nystr?

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by Andreas Nystr? » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:41:48

Todt told them to get the cars into finish, thats why the Ferraris were
doing 1:36laps, while raikkonen was doing 33's.



JTBur

F1 Spoiler--Where's the Criticism?

by JTBur » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:42:14

Why would you think it looked like they were going to hold RB in the pits
when his stop was shorter than MS's?  If I understand how time works, RB's
stop would have had to have been longer than MS's for that to  work.  It
wasn't.

Todd


> Too me, it looked like they were gonna hold Rubens a bit longer in the 2nd
> pitstop, so MS could pass, but
> he run into traffic, which slowed him down, and Rubens got out inhead of
> him.
> Then there was just a staged ending. I thought this was just as bad as in
> Austria.
> I just ignore the Ferraris in the front. Couldnt care less!.
> If it was a good team you could like, and if you could think MS is a nice
> guy, then I would love MS and
> Ferrari, but to me they are just doing everything for a win at all costs.
> *sigh*.

> Thank god we have MotoGP instead :)



> > How come no one is ***ing about MS letting RB have the win with 10
laps
> to
> > go?

> > Ferrari did the same thing as in Austria (as has been done thousands of
> > times in all series) except a little less obviously. More like how
Waltrip
> > let Earnhardt have Talladega.

> > I guess it's ok in racing to do this as long as Michael Schumacher isn't
> the
> > one who benefits. Just like I thought. Pure jealousy was the motivation
> for
> > the hysterics after Austria.

> > MS and RS tought JPM a few lessons today. Beautiful passes. JPM then
> caused
> > yet another accident when he hit DC. He has great car control?? Funny
how
> > people will *** at and try to blame MS for an incident like T1 at
> Malaysia
> > or Brazil which involve JPM, even though they were both clearly JPM's
> fault.
> > When JPM does the same type of thing to DC today though, no one says a
> word
> > because it's not MS who was the other driver, and therefor no bogus
> > opportunity to attack MS.

> > David G Fisher


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