rec.autos.simulators

by **JTBur** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:45:38

> > How come no one is ***ing about MS letting RB have the win with 10
laps
> to
> > go?

> > Ferrari did the same thing as in Austria (as has been done thousands of
> > times in all series) except a little less obviously. More like how
Waltrip
> > let Earnhardt have Talladega.

> > I guess it's ok in racing to do this as long as Michael Schumacher isn't
> the
> > one who benefits. Just like I thought. Pure jealousy was the motivation
> for
> > the hysterics after Austria.

> > MS and RS tought JPM a few lessons today. Beautiful passes. JPM then
> caused
> > yet another accident when he hit DC. He has great car control?? Funny
how
> > people will *** at and try to blame MS for an incident like T1 at
> Malaysia
> > or Brazil which involve JPM, even though they were both clearly JPM's
> fault.
> > When JPM does the same type of thing to DC today though, no one says a
> word
> > because it's not MS who was the other driver, and therefor no bogus
> > opportunity to attack MS.

> > David G Fisher

> All I saw were two very slow Williams... I was howling with laughter at
> the SpeedChannel announcers. Hobb's fake bravado with his recap of MS
> heroically racing through the field was hilarious...I even got my wife to
> watch and she HATES any racing... I do recall something that 'seemed'
like
> a race but only two cars took part.(and they weren't RED!)
> It was nice to see DC racing again....he pinched JPM nicely to the curb.
> If JPM had been a bad racer, he would have not moved into the curb and
both
> would have been wrecked anyway. I did see Ralfie cause a near-wreck also,
> running so slowly at the same turn 1 (where JPM hit DC) he forced
(fishie?)
> to spin rather than hit Ralf as Fishie passed JV.
> This was a fairly embarrassing race. The Ferrari's are sooooooooo far
> ahead of the other marques that they could get away with staging the end
> result. Until the other brands level the playing field some, there is
> nothing to complain about.
> dave henrie

Dave - I think your last point is right on the mark. Moreover, until some
other teams become competitive with Ferrari, F1 is going to suck. You just
aren't going to get great racing when the top two cars are on the same team.

Todd

by **Douglas Elliso** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:57:44

> > How come no one is ***ing about MS letting RB have the win with 10
laps
> to
> > go?

> I thought it was just as bad as austria. MS could and should have taken RB
> as he was the faster man on race day (and the whole weekend really). Its
an
> even bigger insult to RB as he got a win handed to him as if he was a
child
> and couldnt do it for himself. I wish they would just race - obviously
> being careful not to take out your teammate.

Not as bad as the wins RB will get gifted once MS is DWC

Doug

by **Andreas Nystr?** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:18:05

Sorry, i ment that i thought they would have problems filling his car with
fuel, or struggle
with a tire. Thats what i ment.

> Why would you think it looked like they were going to hold RB in the pits
> when his stop was shorter than MS's? If I understand how time works, RB's
> stop would have had to have been longer than MS's for that to work. It
> wasn't.

> Todd

> > Too me, it looked like they were gonna hold Rubens a bit longer in the
2nd
> > pitstop, so MS could pass, but
> > he run into traffic, which slowed him down, and Rubens got out inhead of
> > him.
> > Then there was just a staged ending. I thought this was just as bad as
in
> > Austria.
> > I just ignore the Ferraris in the front. Couldnt care less!.
> > If it was a good team you could like, and if you could think MS is a
nice
> > guy, then I would love MS and
> > Ferrari, but to me they are just doing everything for a win at all
costs.
> > *sigh*.

> > Thank god we have MotoGP instead :)

> > > How come no one is ***ing about MS letting RB have the win with 10
> laps
> > to
> > > go?

> > > Ferrari did the same thing as in Austria (as has been done thousands
of
> > > times in all series) except a little less obviously. More like how
> Waltrip
> > > let Earnhardt have Talladega.

> > > I guess it's ok in racing to do this as long as Michael Schumacher
isn't
> > the
> > > one who benefits. Just like I thought. Pure jealousy was the
motivation
> > for
> > > the hysterics after Austria.

> > > MS and RS tought JPM a few lessons today. Beautiful passes. JPM then
> > caused
> > > yet another accident when he hit DC. He has great car control?? Funny
> how
> > > people will *** at and try to blame MS for an incident like T1 at
> > Malaysia
> > > or Brazil which involve JPM, even though they were both clearly JPM's
> > fault.
> > > When JPM does the same type of thing to DC today though, no one says a
> > word
> > > because it's not MS who was the other driver, and therefor no bogus
> > > opportunity to attack MS.

> > > David G Fisher

by **Rick Osbor** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:28:18

1 - "JPM then caused yet another accident when he hit DC. He has great car
control??"

2- "Funny how people will *** at and try to blame MS for an incident like
T1 at Malaysia or Brazil which involve JPM, even though they were both
clearly JPM's fault."

Enlighten us with your pearls of wisdom and explain how that was Juan's
fault at Malaysia? Going off your logic we should blame MS for the incident
at Malaysia too - afterall it was the guy on the inside who lost control NOT
the person on the outside who gave room (DC yesterday and Juan at Malaysia).
Try to give posts without with your views on the incident rather than the
driver behind the wheel.

Rick

by **Rick Osbor** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:42:37

Err -without :D

Rick

by **Phillip Malphrus J** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:07:31

No, if that's what happened, I still think that's a BOS

by **Joachim Trens** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:08:12

RB's joy looked very real on the rostrum - he didn't seem to care whether it
was a handed win or a real one.

Achim

...
...

by **Joachim Trens** » Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:19:55

JPM's Ring incident with DC (inside car spinning out) was different from the
Malaysia incident between MS and JPM (front wheel of inside car tangles with
outside car).

The Malaysia incident must be compared to the T1 incident between RS and JPM
at the Ring, where RS did the right thing and gave JPM enough room to get
around the corner.

The DC/JPM incident at the Ring was a spin of the inside car because of worn
rear tires (according to the Williams team and JPM). Too much throttle for
worn out tires.

I'm sorry for DC as he'd left enough room and, visible in the replay,
clearly tries to even widen the gap once he notices JPM start spinning, but
in vain.

Achim

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Malaysia).
...

by **Douglas Elliso** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:30:10

If DC had used his head - he'd have realised that JPM's spin was likely -
and gone for an inside move when he could - not some ditched outside line
squeeze

Had DC not squeezes JPM - he wouldnt have clipped the curb and spun

Doug

by **Joachim Trens** » Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:48:55

Hi Doug,

That's an interesting interpretation :-)

Achim

by **Douglas Elliso** » Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:04:22

DC had 15 metres of track to play with - he chose to use the inside 5
metres - then tries to say JPM was being stupid.

Doug

by **Bria** » Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:08:58

Not true. Remember:

McLaren : Senna and Prost
Williams: Mansell and Piquet

They batlted a lot, having even two seasons decided with crashs (Senna on
Prost and then, Prost on Senna).

The problem here is Ferrari and Schumacher. Until they allow the two to
fight, we will have a one-man championship.

Brian

> > > How come no one is ***ing about MS letting RB have the win with 10
> laps
> > to
> > > go?

> > > Ferrari did the same thing as in Austria (as has been done thousands
of
> > > times in all series) except a little less obviously. More like how
> Waltrip
> > > let Earnhardt have Talladega.

> > > I guess it's ok in racing to do this as long as Michael Schumacher
isn't
> > the
> > > one who benefits. Just like I thought. Pure jealousy was the
motivation
> > for
> > > the hysterics after Austria.

> > > MS and RS tought JPM a few lessons today. Beautiful passes. JPM then
> > caused
> > > yet another accident when he hit DC. He has great car control?? Funny
> how
> > > people will *** at and try to blame MS for an incident like T1 at
> > Malaysia
> > > or Brazil which involve JPM, even though they were both clearly JPM's
> > fault.
> > > When JPM does the same type of thing to DC today though, no one says a
> > word
> > > because it's not MS who was the other driver, and therefor no bogus
> > > opportunity to attack MS.

> > > David G Fisher

> > All I saw were two very slow Williams... I was howling with laughter
at
> > the SpeedChannel announcers. Hobb's fake bravado with his recap of MS
> > heroically racing through the field was hilarious...I even got my wife
to
> > watch and she HATES any racing... I do recall something that 'seemed'
> like
> > a race but only two cars took part.(and they weren't RED!)
> > It was nice to see DC racing again....he pinched JPM nicely to the
curb.
> > If JPM had been a bad racer, he would have not moved into the curb and
> both
> > would have been wrecked anyway. I did see Ralfie cause a near-wreck
also,
> > running so slowly at the same turn 1 (where JPM hit DC) he forced
> (fishie?)
> > to spin rather than hit Ralf as Fishie passed JV.
> > This was a fairly embarrassing race. The Ferrari's are sooooooooo far
> > ahead of the other marques that they could get away with staging the end
> > result. Until the other brands level the playing field some, there is
> > nothing to complain about.
> > dave henrie

> Dave - I think your last point is right on the mark. Moreover, until
some
> other teams become competitive with Ferrari, F1 is going to suck. You
just
> aren't going to get great racing when the top two cars are on the same
team.

> Todd

by **Rick Osbor** » Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:31:26

So? The malaysia incident was also down to driver error also - that of
understeer from MS not taking into account heavy fuel loads and cold tyres;
oh but it's ok it's the almighty Michael and anything goes - even past his
brother by the looks of yesterday's race. Zzzz

It has nothing to do where the contact was made, if Juan hadn't have spun
he'd have speared DC like MS did him in malaysia. I'm not defending Juan
here btw - he should have squeezed DC wide and not run onto the curb, thus
preventing DC getting into t2 ahead of him. They're both plonkers, DC would
have been better off diving down the inside, cars spin outwards, David not
inwards. And Juan should have just stayed off the curb and run DC wide. Oh
well, at least DC and Juan can race wheel to wheel and accidents do happen,
more than can be said for a certain Ralf.

Rick

by **Eldre** » Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:06:56

>Too me, it looked like they were gonna hold Rubens a bit longer in the 2nd
>pitstop, so MS could pass, but
>he run into traffic, which slowed him down, and Rubens got out inhead of
>him.

Agreed. But it made for nice suspense near the end of the race. Will they let
Rubens win, or not?

Eldred
--
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with experience...

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by **Joachim Trens** » Wed, 26 Jun 2002 03:39:10

Hi Doug,

I beg to differ, but I think we've reached the end of this now :-)

Achim

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