rec.autos.simulators

   Secondly, you get your kicks out of stirring up bullshit about CPR and deserve all you
get! It's not surprising to see the disfunctional supporting the disfunctional!

Therefore, just because a top-class driver endorses a product, whether
that product be a simulation or a can of baked beans, does not, repeat,
NOT, automatically endow that product with magical qualities.

Now, in the world of advertising, there are numerous examples of
prominent personalities taking legal action against a business or
company for whom that personality has endorsed what was later to be
found as something of lower quality than, or different to, that
advertised.

Zanardis name on a box-top- would not make me buy the product, anymore
than Andrettis name on a couple of box-tops made me buy *those*
products!

*They're* celebrities.......neither I or David are!

Your friend,
Mauricio.

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I think you are seriously mistaken here Dave. I wont comment on he rest of
the thread except to say that I race F1RS and CPR - but only use CPR online
(where it excels) and then in frustration at the diving model. I *have*
driven open wheel, winged race cars - though obviously not F1 or CART. They
really aren't the whole new world you are expecting. Power and the way it is
delivered are very different and it is clearly much easier to set up for
oversteer than a road car would allow. Turning radii are obviously much
smaller (neck-breaking). The basic physics however are unchanged and the
skill is balancing the package as near to the edge of its envelope as
possible for as long as possible. The current incarnation of CPR does not
come close to this reality.

Leaving aside the ludicrous control mechanisms (which I suppose you can iron
out with enough patience), the vehicle response at low and high speed, as
described by other participants in this thread, are simply ridiculous. The
cars I drove did not start 'pushing' at 5mph nor did they go loose at
150mph. F1RS also has its problems - I find I need more than 10deg
differential between front and rear wings to get a realistic response which
is unlikely in real life. The real point is that it *is* possible to get a
realistic response in F1RS - the onset of understeer and oversteer is very
similar to that which I recall in real life. You cannot get realistic
response from CPR and there it totally fails as a sim for me. I use it as an
arcade game for racing buddies on the net - at that it excels.

Just my opinions and experiences - flame away ;-)

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It is immaterial what the AMOUNT is...the mere fact that payment has
taken place amounts to "reward for opinion" and that, my friend, should
be enough to raise eyebrows and cause hesitation and doubt.

It certainly does in a court of law!

And *I* speak as an employer who has had to turn away applications for
employment from school-leavers who could not spell the name of the
street in which they lived and whose grasp of grammar was non-existent.

--
Andrew Fielden.
UK.

For a rookie (what a ***term that is....I'll change it)......
For a driver new to a specific circuit, being able to "drive" around it
in a sim is beneficial....as is "walking the track", a custom which is
still employed by some (not a majority) of drivers.

Pilots (military and commercial, that is) get part of their training on
simulatORS (note the difference) .....that cost several millions of
dollars to initially purchase and then to operate per annum.

I'd love to have one of those in my backyard but, sadly, there is
insufficient space, what with flower-beds, kids bikes, ***oline and
the barbeque.