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GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

clon

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by clon » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me in a clear consice answer why
GP3 physics are better than F12000 physics or vice versa.
Dann

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by Dann » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

God your dumb revved.
You dont have to have driven a F1 car to comment on how the physics are.
If you know how a real car behaves you pretty much know how any car feels.
GP3 doesnt even feel close to reacting like a car,it feels dead and
artifical compared to F1 2000,gpl and CPR.

YOu know nothing and i bet you have never driven a real car


> >I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me in a clear consice answer why
> >GP3 physics are better than F12000 physics or vice versa.

> Not unless they have driven a modern day F1 car.

Michael Veldma

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by Michael Veldma » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Thanks for the read rrevved!

I'm a hack at driving sims, and I certainly haven't raced but I'd like to
ask a question.
Not trying to get into an argument between GPL and GP2 but the physics in
GP3
seems to hold down the car extremely well if driven carefully.  Even in
corners.

Is this the downforce at work?

It's just that it feels soooo much different to GPL.

Michael

PS: I'm disappointed with a few things in the game but the driving is fun!



[snip]

Peter Coo

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by Peter Coo » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Sorry Danny but that is just about the lamest peice of ***I have ever
heard, the difference between a road car and a competition car as a chalk is
to cheese. If you think that a road car will behave in the same manner as a
race prepared vehicle of any kind you have obviously never experienced the
latter...................


> God your dumb revved.
> You dont have to have driven a F1 car to comment on how the physics are.
> If you know how a real car behaves you pretty much know how any car feels.
> GP3 doesnt even feel close to reacting like a car,it feels dead and
> artifical compared to F1 2000,gpl and CPR.

> YOu know nothing and i bet you have never driven a real car



> > >I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me in a clear consice answer why
> > >GP3 physics are better than F12000 physics or vice versa.

> > Not unless they have driven a modern day F1 car.

DarDANe]

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by DarDANe] » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00



> Sorry Danny but that is just about the lamest peice of ***I have
ever
> heard, the difference between a road car and a competition car as a
chalk is
> to cheese. If you think that a road car will behave in the same manner
as a
> race prepared vehicle of any kind you have obviously never experienced
the
> latter...................



> > God your dumb revved.
> > You dont have to have driven a F1 car to comment on how the physics
are.
> > If you know how a real car behaves you pretty much know how any car
feels.
> > GP3 doesnt even feel close to reacting like a car,it feels dead and
> > artifical compared to F1 2000,gpl and CPR.

> > YOu know nothing and i bet you have never driven a real car




> > > >I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me in a clear consice
answer why
> > > >GP3 physics are better than F12000 physics or vice versa.

> > > Not unless they have driven a modern day F1 car.

this man is right:

I own a car that is built for the circuit and probably the most extreme
vehicle to be (just) road legal - it feels like nothing you've ever
dreamt of compared to any regular road car but mainly in terms of
suspension setup and comfort etc.. its still maybe only 30% towards a
proper competition level car. And compared to an F1 car, well who knows,
Ive never driven one but it must be like a an old bus by comparison.

--
DarDANe][

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Joe Murph

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by Joe Murph » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I can't for the life off me understand how someone who has raced
openwheelers thinks this is simuler to real racing.
As a sim its OK but compared to real life racing it is***poor.
The physics model in GPL is Imho the best and closest there is to real life
racing.I agree that you don't have to have driven a F1 to evaluate the
physics, but i do think to compare it with real life calls for some
openwheeler expierience.
  If you drove F1 you would definitly think this is total nonsence as it
would be commercial suicide to make the sim that realistic(if that where
possible)
Greg Cisk

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by Greg Cisk » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00


I can tell you with a clear conscience that F1 2000 is better because
it was programmed that way :-)

--


Greg Cisk

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by Greg Cisk » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00


If you are going at high speeds yes. I think the wings don't have
much effect below 60mph (100kph).

GP2 truely felt like it was on rails (as in fake), and I would not
be surprised to find that GP3 inherited this um.. "feature".

--


> It's just that it feels soooo much different to GPL.

> Michael

> PS: I'm disappointed with a few things in the game but the driving is fun!





> [snip]

Greg Cisk

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by Greg Cisk » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00


That is why we have to use our best estimate. Obviously 100% of
us have never driven a F1 or CART car at competition speeds.
So we will always have this fascinating discussion :-)

--


Han Monsee

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by Han Monsee » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00


just judge for yourself: someone has posted screenshots of both sims to
alt.binaries.simulators

grtngs,
hgrm

Han Monsee

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by Han Monsee » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

please ignore my message.
I read graphics instead of physics )-:




> > I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me in a clear consice answer why
> > GP3 physics are better than F12000 physics or vice versa.

> just judge for yourself: someone has posted screenshots of both sims to
> alt.binaries.simulators

> grtngs,
> hgrm

Dave

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by Dave » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00



Put on the "dunce cap" and sit in the corner Danny.
"If you know how a real car behaves you pretty much know how any car
feels."
Let me guess,you can speed around in your mini van,so you fancy
yourself a an expert on race car dynamics.Have any idea what it feels
like to drive a car like this:
800+ hp
19,000+ RPM
0-100 3 seconds
deceleration  of 75 MPH in 1 second
4 G's lateral load
speed in excess of 200 MPH
All while laying on your back with your head 24" above the ground.
 Now give yourself a good spanking and go sit in that corner.

Dave K

Alan

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by Alan » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Full of sh*t!

I drive a Sierra (no one laugh pls. I ain't rich) and as part of my job
drive anything from 20-30,000 miles per year.

One of my richer friends recently spent some inheritance on an AC Shelby
Cobra (I went green with envy), He let me take it a couple of miles
round the countryside and after driving normal/family cars for 12 years
NOTHING I have driven prepared me for the absolute scaryness of driving
a performance-level car, and although I had great dreams of tearing
around to see what it would be like, I found myself rather disappointly
unable to get faster than 50 MPH without feeling I was gonna lose it on
the slightest bend, and the Cobra's street legal, So you think
your gonna know what an F1 car feels like, like f*ck will you.

Alan


> God your dumb revved.
> You dont have to have driven a F1 car to comment on how the physics are.
> If you know how a real car behaves you pretty much know how any car feels.
> GP3 doesnt even feel close to reacting like a car,it feels dead and
> artifical compared to F1 2000,gpl and CPR.

> YOu know nothing and i bet you have never driven a real car



> > >I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me in a clear consice answer why
> > >GP3 physics are better than F12000 physics or vice versa.

> > Not unless they have driven a modern day F1 car.

Joe6

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by Joe6 » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00


>It's just that it feels soooo much different to GPL.

You know what's interesting? Even though the GP3 physics are clearly
improved a fair bit from GP2, I'm having a lot more success with GP3.
I believe this is a direct result of a lot of GPL driving. I've
learned to RESPECT the car. It can be pushed harder than a GPL car,
for sure, but I'm constantly aware of weight transfers and so on.

Mind you, it is a relief to be able to break hard as I turn into the
apex without losing the whole ball of wax! ;-)

Joe McGinn
_____________________
Radical Entertainment

xoc45

GP3 vs F!2000 Physics

by xoc45 » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I GOT IT , I GOT IT !
Greg is working for EA
Now everything is clear


>> I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me in a clear consice answer why
>> GP3 physics are better than F12000 physics or vice versa.

>I can tell you with a clear conscience that F1 2000 is better because
>it was programmed that way :-)


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