rec.autos.simulators

> 1) We have been hearing about GP3 since GP2 came out and we know Geoff
> Crammond has  been busy working on it since then.  First we heard about F1
> 2000 was a couple of months ago, so surely it is going to lack the
> development time a Crammond (or papyrus for that matter) sim has.

> 2) The ridiculous size of the heads in the***pits, such a easy thing to
> get right!  If they can't get that simple thing correct then can we
> honestly expect realisitic physics?

> 3) The ability of EA to turn everything into an arcade game.  It looks like
> they had a good go with SCGT, but fortunatly they didn't completly destroy
> it.

> 4) So far no F1 sim has really matched GP2 even four years after its
> release, even if GP3 is just GP2 with 3d and weather effects I think it
> will be worth it.

> Chris

> Though there are high expectations of F1 2000 I seriously believe it is not
> going to live up to the hype for a number of reasons;

> Like I said, look here:
> http://www.3dracing.net/f1/pics/gp3/gp2_gp3_compare.jpg

> Been there seen that.  Personaly just it's smoothed over.  After 4-5 years of
> development I'd expect a whole new engine.  Not these updates.

> > > If your gonna pay $40 for 3d and weather effects... and don't forget
it
> > > probably won't have internet play either... your crazy.  I'd stay with
GP2
> > if
> > > it was like that.

> > Like I said, look here:
> > http://www.3dracing.net/f1/pics/gp3/gp2_gp3_compare.jpg

> Firstly, why in teh heel would you want a whole new engine?
> GP2 was the pinacle of "Modern" (I said modern so no GPL is better
comments)
> F1 sims! GP is teh follow up, it is suppsoed to add in all things GP2
didn't
> ahve time to squeeze in. A whle new engine would be won right stupid and a
> waste of time and effort on GP1 and 2.

> Next after ediing lots of tracksand understanding how they work, i ust say
> my good man that the Monaco tracks is both retextures AND remoddelled!!!
> Oh its all Monaco, it can't change drasticly but its still new, its still
> different and to do what they have done on Paul Hoads editors would be one
> tough job!!!

> > Been there seen that.  Personaly just it's smoothed over.  After 4-5
years
> of
> > development I'd expect a whole new engine.  Not these updates.

> > > > If your gonna pay $40 for 3d and weather effects... and don't forget
> it
> > > > probably won't have internet play either... your crazy.  I'd stay
with
> GP2
> > > if
> > > > it was like that.

> > > Like I said, look here:
> > > http://www.3dracing.net/f1/pics/gp3/gp2_gp3_compare.jpg

> > Well as aformer GP2 track editor I must say that you couldn't be further
> > from the truth.

> > Firstly, why in teh heel would you want a whole new engine?
> > GP2 was the pinacle of "Modern" (I said modern so no GPL is better
> comments)
> > F1 sims! GP is teh follow up, it is suppsoed to add in all things GP2
> didn't
> > ahve time to squeeze in. A whle new engine would be won right stupid and
a
> > waste of time and effort on GP1 and 2.

> > Next after ediing lots of tracksand understanding how they work, i ust
say
> > my good man that the Monaco tracks is both retextures AND remoddelled!!!
> > Oh its all Monaco, it can't change drasticly but its still new, its
still
> > different and to do what they have done on Paul Hoads editors would be
one
> > tough job!!!

> > > > > If your gonna pay $40 for 3d and weather effects... and don't
forget
> > it
> > > > > probably won't have internet play either... your crazy.  I'd stay
> with
> > GP2
> > > > if
> > > > > it was like that.

> > > > Like I said, look here:
> > > > http://www.3dracing.net/f1/pics/gp3/gp2_gp3_compare.jpg

> > Spell check and punctuation would be nice.

> > > Well as aformer GP2 track editor I must say that you couldn't be
further
> > > from the truth.

> > > Firstly, why in teh heel would you want a whole new engine?
> > > GP2 was the pinacle of "Modern" (I said modern so no GPL is better
> > comments)
> > > F1 sims! GP is teh follow up, it is suppsoed to add in all things GP2
> > didn't
> > > ahve time to squeeze in. A whle new engine would be won right stupid
and
> a
> > > waste of time and effort on GP1 and 2.

> > > Next after ediing lots of tracksand understanding how they work, i ust
> say
> > > my good man that the Monaco tracks is both retextures AND
remoddelled!!!
> > > Oh its all Monaco, it can't change drasticly but its still new, its
> still
> > > different and to do what they have done on Paul Hoads editors would be
> one
> > > tough job!!!

> > > > Been there seen that.  Personaly just it's smoothed over.  After 4-5
> > years
> > > of
> > > > development I'd expect a whole new engine.  Not these updates.

> > > > > > If your gonna pay $40 for 3d and weather effects... and don't
> forget
> > > it
> > > > > > probably won't have internet play either... your crazy.  I'd
stay
> > with
> > > GP2
> > > > > if
> > > > > > it was like that.

> > > > > Like I said, look here:
> > > > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > Sory bu me cant speel god enuf four yu,
> > I wil go bery me hed in de sand un sham.

> > > Spell check and punctuation would be nice.

> > > > Well as aformer GP2 track editor I must say that you couldn't be
> further
> > > > from the truth.

> > > > Firstly, why in teh heel would you want a whole new engine?
> > > > GP2 was the pinacle of "Modern" (I said modern so no GPL is better
> > > comments)
> > > > F1 sims! GP is teh follow up, it is suppsoed to add in all things
GP2
> > > didn't
> > > > ahve time to squeeze in. A whle new engine would be won right stupid
> and
> > a
> > > > waste of time and effort on GP1 and 2.

> > > > Next after ediing lots of tracksand understanding how they work, i
ust
> > say
> > > > my good man that the Monaco tracks is both retextures AND
> remoddelled!!!
> > > > Oh its all Monaco, it can't change drasticly but its still new, its
> > still
> > > > different and to do what they have done on Paul Hoads editors would
be
> > one
> > > > tough job!!!

> > > > > Been there seen that.  Personaly just it's smoothed over.  After
4-5
> > > years
> > > > of
> > > > > development I'd expect a whole new engine.  Not these updates.

> > > > > > > If your gonna pay $40 for 3d and weather effects... and don't
> > forget
> > > > it
> > > > > > > probably won't have internet play either... your crazy.  I'd
> stay
> > > with
> > > > GP2
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > it was like that.

> > > > > > Like I said, look here:
> > > > > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> I'm not sure what the final heads will look like,
> but I drive in***pit view, so I don't spend a
> lot of time looking at them :)

> --
> Pat Dotson
> IMPACT Motorsports
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/