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I've been racing on Hawaii for a few months now and we all know that
there is cheating going on.  Admitted by Papyrus.  With all the time a
serious player spends working on good set-ups I think its time that
Payrus shuts the door on all cheaters.   When you see some of the
speeds that people get qualifying on cold tires it's obvious that
their not even trying to hide fact that their cheating.  

I know most people don't cheat but the few that do sure take the fun
out of it for the majority.

                                -POPS-

        Viper

Cheating on Hawaii huh well I have been accussed of cheating On hawaii
because of my times at Mich and Dega by people on hawaii because I Qual. at
198.1 to 198.2 at Dega and 193 to 194 at Mich.But I have to say yeas some
guys cheat at dega to get there times of 198.3 and above but as of the
other tracks I don't know how anyone can cheat at other tracks.What all the
guys I know do to get there times at the tracks are kinda like I do at Mich
it is fast for one lap and one lap only for qual. and after that it is ***
and they run a different setup in the race that runs fast aswell.All I can
say is quit worrying about if someone is cheating and find your own speed
because Dega is the only track you can cheat at in qual.And that doesn't
help in the race.

Robert GT86

                                                ~G

: there is cheating going on.  Admitted by Papyrus.  With all the time a
: serious player spends working on good set-ups I think its time that
: Payrus shuts the door on all cheaters.   When you see some of the
: speeds that people get qualifying on cold tires it's obvious that
: their not even trying to hide fact that their cheating.  

Aren't you the arrogant one. Just because you can't turn near the speed
that the fastest guys can, they MUST be cheating, eh.
You obviously know nothing about making qual setups if you think cold
tires means you can't go fast. That's your problem.
I have a few Hawaii records (for now ;) and am in the top 10 qual
records on just about every track, and NOT ONE of those speeds are the
result of cheating. I don't go out specifically trying to break records
either, it is just a nice bonus when trying to get pole in one of my
series races.

Just about every hawaii qual record was done w/o cheating.
Maybe *every* record was done w/o cheating, I cant be 100% sure of that
though.

You cry 'cheat' but do you even have a clue on what the cheating is?
Probably not.
The way people can cheat on a qual lap is by 2-lapping the qual. It is
VERY obvious if someone 2-laps because once you're done and go the the
STANDINGS page, they will take alot longer (for that extra lap).
For this reason, every time I qualify, I go out IMMEDIATELY so my name
and time is one of the first up there and everyone knows I am not
2-lapping to do my top (and sometimes record) quals. I have accidentally
done a 2 lap qual a few times, but I have never used the 2nd lap.
Now that you know what the cheat is, you can check for it. But, I have no
intention of telling anyone how to do a 2-lap because its unfair and
nobody should do it.

Next time, instead of being jerk with a blanket accusation you should
ask questions and understand.

Later,
  Darrel Cherry
  Hawaii ID: Darrel

  NASCAR web page: http://www.***highway.net/~darrel/nascar.htm

                                        Mickey

While we're on the topic,  the other day I downloaded some setups with
odd settings that are not available through the Hawaii or Nascar
program.  My assumption is that the setup was made with a secondary
editor.  Is this cheating??????

Viper

: >: Payrus shuts the door on all cheaters.   When you see some of the
: >: speeds that people get qualifying on cold tires it's obvious that
: >: their not even trying to hide fact that their cheating.  

:       Talk about arrogant  I never accused anyone by name of
: cheating.   The fact is I don't even know who you are,  but you sure
:       Darrel I never made a blanket accusation in fact I accused no

The statement you made is a blanket accusation of anyone who is fast.
Saying that "from the speeds people turn with cold tires it is obvious
they're not trying to hide the fact they're cheating" makes the statement,
if you qual fast, you cheat.

: You seem to be taking the topic of cheating very personal.

Sure, I detest cheating and it pisses me off when someone makes an
uninformed generalization like you did.

:       There is cheating going on and Payprus admitted as much so I
: guess they must be arrogant to.  

Making a statement that people cheat and a statement that from the fast
times people turn with cold tires, they must be cheating are two
completely different statements.

Also, from what I've heard on the grapevine, Papyrus knows who is
cheating and does take action.

C-ya,
 Darrel

:While we're on the topic,  the other day I downloaded some setups with
:odd settings that are not available through the Hawaii or Nascar
:program.  My assumption is that the setup was made with a secondary
:editor.  Is this cheating??????
:
:Viper

No, it's not!! Let me guess.. rear camber was adjusted, low fuel ( i.e. .7 gal),
tire psi..

No it's not illegal.. I do it..

take care

:

Darrel

  I must disagree with you atleast for one track that is Dega the record
times at Dega are cheating times I have found on my own and from some of
the guys that cheat that a Qyal. time of 198.3 at Dega at 120 degrees is
impossibleand when you Lokk at the record time it's like 200 or 201 with
alot of 199's and 198.8's and so on.I will say I am one of the fastest in
qual at the speedways and I don't cheat.I have found or looked or heard of
anyway of cheating at any track but Dega and that is cutting the pits.My
fastest no wind speed at Dega is 198.211 os something I can see times in
the 198.2 range are possible but 198.3 and higher are not but I have tried
two lapping at some other tracks once or twice and it doesn't work yeah you
get a faster time but you still qual in the same spot as the first lap had
you at.I am not the fastest at qual at alot of the tracks but fast enough
in qual to start in top 5 everytime.Like atl my speed is 187 to 188.Mich is
193 to 194 char is 183 to 185 and darl is 181 to 182.Which is fast enough
to give me a good shot at running well and maybe winning.I have no need to
cheat and have no desire to cheat like yourself.The times are all in setups
and manilly lines.But Dega does have alot of cheaters which I know who and
won't say who because I consider them racing friends and if they feel they
need to cheat to qual upfront so be it I'll just beat them in the race :)
because the cheat doesn't work in the race.

Robert
Hawaii ID: GT86

I have one question how do you setup rear camber?

Robert

                                Mickey

  I don't run Hawaii so I don't know about the cheating, but it seems to be
that if accusations have been made, that Papyrus made a pretty good racing
network.  Sounds an aweful lot like real Nascar to me.  Maybe you should
check to see if they have movable parts inside the intake manifold or an
altered roof line?