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Hawaii Cheating

Sager Moritz

Hawaii Cheating

by Sager Moritz » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00



>:While we're on the topic,  the other day I downloaded some setups with
>:odd settings that are not available through the Hawaii or Nascar
>:program.  My assumption is that the setup was made with a secondary
>:editor.  Is this cheating??????
>:
>:Viper

>No, it's not!! Let me guess.. rear camber was adjusted, low fuel ( i.e. .7 gal),
>tire psi..

>No it's not illegal.. I do it..

>take care

Hmmmm....... could we get an official Papyrus opinion on this????  If
its not illegal I'm gonna feel real ignorant for not doing it.

Viper

Sager Moritz

Hawaii Cheating

by Sager Moritz » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Have had 198.5s at Dega without cheating.

Viper

Sean Graha

Hawaii Cheating

by Sean Graha » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00



> :While we're on the topic,  the other day I downloaded some setups with
> :odd settings that are not available through the Hawaii or Nascar
> :program.  My assumption is that the setup was made with a secondary
> :editor.  Is this cheating??????
> :
> :Viper

> No, it's not!! Let me guess.. rear camber was adjusted, low fuel ( i.e. .7 gal),
> tire psi..

> No it's not illegal.. I do it..

> take care

> :

I'd say using any editor other than what the game provides IS CHEATING.

The game provides you with a set of rules about how you can setup the
car. By using a outside editor you are breaking those rules and getting
an unfair advantage. Obviously anyone who does this is not confident
enough in their own driving skills to use what is provided.

You are fooling yourself and hurting the integrity of Hawaii by doing
this.

Julian Da

Hawaii Cheating

by Julian Da » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00

:>No, it's not!! Let me guess.. rear camber was adjusted, low fuel ( i.e. .7 gal),
:>tire psi..
:>
:>No it's not illegal.. I do it..
:>
:>take care
:>
:Hmmmm....... could we get an official Papyrus opinion on this????  If
:its not illegal I'm gonna feel real ignorant for not doing it.
:
:Viper
:
In the "real" racing world..this would be called the "gray" area..

Hehehe.. I always look at the rules..and read between the lines.. I am not a
cheater.  Look at the WC teams..All do alot of "gray" area adjustments or make
something in the "between lines" text..

take care

Mickey kerk

Hawaii Cheating

by Mickey kerk » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00



>:>No, it's not!! Let me guess.. rear camber was adjusted, low fuel ( i.e. .7 gal),
>:>tire psi..
>:>
>:>No it's not illegal.. I do it..
>:>
>:>take care
>:>
>:Hmmmm....... could we get an official Papyrus opinion on this????  If
>:its not illegal I'm gonna feel real ignorant for not doing it.
>:
>:Viper
>:
>In the "real" racing world..this would be called the "gray" area..

>Hehehe.. I always look at the rules..and read between the lines.. I am not a
>cheater.  Look at the WC teams..All do alot of "gray" area adjustments or make
>something in the "between lines" text..

>take care

So I guess using a hex editor and going in and hacking the files or
any part of the Nascar supplied program is only cheating between the
lines,  Hmmmm no I would think thats just plane CHEATING in any area.

                                Mickey

Sager Moritz

Hawaii Cheating

by Sager Moritz » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00




>> :While we're on the topic,  the other day I downloaded some setups with
>> :odd settings that are not available through the Hawaii or Nascar
>> :program.  My assumption is that the setup was made with a secondary
>> :editor.  Is this cheating??????
>> :
>> :Viper

>> No, it's not!! Let me guess.. rear camber was adjusted, low fuel ( i.e. .7 gal),
>> tire psi..

>> No it's not illegal.. I do it..

>> take care

>> :

>I'd say using any editor other than what the game provides IS CHEATING.

>The game provides you with a set of rules about how you can setup the
>car. By using a outside editor you are breaking those rules and getting
>an unfair advantage. Obviously anyone who does this is not confident
>enough in their own driving skills to use what is provided.

>You are fooling yourself and hurting the integrity of Hawaii by doing
>this.

Thats kinda how I saw it.

Could Hawaii just make an official statement on this? Just to clarify
for everyone whether they are or are not cheating.

If changing the camber and fuel is ok how about a rear spoiler of 0
and soft tires all the way around?  I dont know if it would work but
if its not cheating I'll just have to give it a try! :)

Viper

Mickey kerk

Hawaii Cheating

by Mickey kerk » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00






>>> :While we're on the topic,  the other day I downloaded some setups with
>>> :odd settings that are not available through the Hawaii or Nascar
>>> :program.  My assumption is that the setup was made with a secondary
>>> :editor.  Is this cheating??????
>>> :
>>> :Viper

>>> No, it's not!! Let me guess.. rear camber was adjusted, low fuel ( i.e. .7 gal),
>>> tire psi..

>>> No it's not illegal.. I do it..

>>> take care

>>> :

>>I'd say using any editor other than what the game provides IS CHEATING.

>Thats kinda how I saw it.

>Could Hawaii just make an official statement on this? Just to clarify
>for everyone whether they are or are not cheating.

>If changing the camber and fuel is ok how about a rear spoiler of 0
>and soft tires all the way around?  I dont know if it would work but
>if its not cheating I'll just have to give it a try! :)

>Viper

The silence from Papyrus in this topic is deafening.

                        Mickey

Pete Resto

Hawaii Cheating

by Pete Resto » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Darrel, there is cheating going on in Hawaii! And there are many forms
being used! Whether you do it by running in a racing group that records your best
times and when you post them, it also uploads your settings that it used to achieve
them and then spread it to your friends! Or you use an editor to hack files that
aren't checked, or you are a networking specialist and hack packet sizes to alter
the way you send info back and forth, or you write batch files, or you run double
qualifying laps and so on! Yes, these things happen but those of us that choose not
to participate in such can take pride if we do a setup on our own with no help from
anyone. I'm entering my 12th month on the system and have seen and learned much over
that period of time. It is my understanding that the problems I have mentioned are
and will be addressed in NRL. Hopefully, for those of us that play by the rules
a level playing field will be established. Winning at all cost seems to be the motto
of some and they will do what it takes!

Pete

kaalan1

Hawaii Cheating

by kaalan1 » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00




> > :While we're on the topic,  the other day I downloaded some setups with
> > :odd settings that are not available through the Hawaii or Nascar
> > :program.  My assumption is that the setup was made with a secondary
> > :editor.  Is this cheating??????
> > :
> > :Viper

> > No, it's not!! Let me guess.. rear camber was adjusted, low fuel ( i.e. .7 gal),
> > tire psi..

> > No it's not illegal.. I do it..

> > take care

> > :

> I'd say using any editor other than what the game provides IS CHEATING.

> The game provides you with a set of rules about how you can setup the
> car. By using a outside editor you are breaking those rules and getting
> an unfair advantage. Obviously anyone who does this is not confident
> enough in their own driving skills to use what is provided.

> You are fooling yourself and hurting the integrity of Hawaii by doing
> this.

  I didn't know there were such setups until these posts came out.  I sent

their game so let them decide.  They said that the .7gal is borderline
cheating because it takes special knowledge to do? But that messing with the
rear camber was definitely cheating. They asked me to send them one of these
setups to test out but I don't have any- darn it.

           Ken

Julian Da

Hawaii Cheating

by Julian Da » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00

:I'd say using any editor other than what the game provides IS CHEATING.
:
:The game provides you with a set of rules about how you can setup the
:car. By using a outside editor you are breaking those rules and getting
:an unfair advantage. Obviously anyone who does this is not confident
:enough in their own driving skills to use what is provided.

I can't drive?? Are you saying that?? How you and I, one on one?? I am currently
the Number 1 driver in the Fastlap Program from the IVGA.. And that's using the
defautl parameters given by the game..No rear camber adjustments of any kind..

Anything length race..I have a setup for any length.. I have been at this sim
since it came out.. So I can say I have alot of experience with it.; )

The sim simply bores me.. now.. I feel that I have conquered it.. I have over
200 modem races.. A few times on Hawaii as under another nick..Hehe..

I believe the people that are cheating are the ones using a tsr
program..anyways.. Think about that.. That's more like cheating..
:
:You are fooling yourself and hurting the integrity of Hawaii by doing
:this.

I am not fooling myself.. Just using my wits to get more speed.. I am "real"
racer, I actually do this for living..; )  There are setup programs are there
that do it for you!!! Just look around..

Well take care..

Julian Da

Hawaii Cheating

by Julian Da » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00

:
:I'd say using any editor other than what the game provides IS CHEATING.
:
:The game provides you with a set of rules about how you can setup the
:car. By using a outside editor you are breaking those rules and getting
:an unfair advantage. Obviously anyone who does this is not confident
:enough in their own driving skills to use what is provided.
:
:You are fooling yourself and hurting the integrity of Hawaii by doing
:this.

Have you ever done "any real" racing before?? The rules on Hawaii does not state
anything about it.. So it's perfectly legal..

take care

Pete Resto

Hawaii Cheating

by Pete Resto » Fri, 01 Nov 1996 04:00:00


> I can't drive?? Are you saying that?? How you and I, one on one?? I am currently
> the Number 1 driver in the Fastlap Program from the IVGA.. And that's using the
> defautl parameters given by the game..No rear camber adjustments of any kind..

> I am not fooling myself.. Just using my wits to get more speed.. I am "real"
> racer, I actually do this for living..; )  There are setup programs are there
> that do it for you!!! Just look around..

> Well take care..

        Julian, perhaps you would like to tell us just how IVGA Fastlap Program
works! And how peoples settings might just get uploaded when they post them there!Maybe,
some of your skills were obtained at someone else's expense and hardwork! I hope I am
wrong but word on the street says different! Not accusing you personally but maybe, you
happen to know the right people!
        If this rumor is incorrect, my appologies!

Regards

Robert Johnso

Hawaii Cheating

by Robert Johnso » Sat, 02 Nov 1996 04:00:00



Are you really Rusty Wallace?  Sounds like him...  :-)

Robert Johnso

Hawaii Cheating

by Robert Johnso » Sat, 02 Nov 1996 04:00:00



Hopefully, they are too busy getting NascarII ready to bother with it.  At
least I hope so.

As to the person who thinks that just because they didn't say, in writing,
that you were not allowed to modify the setups with a sector editor, or
whatever, that it is legal, get real.  If it were legal, you could make the
adjustments in the Nascar editor.  That is where they set the limits of
what you could and could not do.  Any other modification is cheating.
Stick to the provided editor, or just stick it.

Barry Cl

Hawaii Cheating

by Barry Cl » Sat, 02 Nov 1996 04:00:00


>Darrel, there is cheating going on in Hawaii! And there are many forms
>being used! Whether you do it by running in a racing group that records your best
>times and when you post them, it also uploads your settings that it used to achieve
>them and then spread it to your friends! Or you use an editor to hack files that
>aren't checked, or you are a networking specialist and hack packet sizes to alter
>the way you send info back and forth, or you write batch files, or you run double
>qualifying laps and so on! Yes, these things happen but those of us that choose not
>to participate in such can take pride if we do a setup on our own with no help from
>anyone. I'm entering my 12th month on the system and have seen and learned much over
>that period of time. It is my understanding that the problems I have mentioned are
>and will be addressed in NRL. Hopefully, for those of us that play by the rules
>a level playing field will be established. Winning at all cost seems to be the motto
>of some and they will do what it takes!
>Pete

Bravo Pete!!!

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