rec.autos.simulators

by **moti..** » Sat, 09 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> .....Snip

> To true. Lets face it some people are just plain hopelless at racing
> sims. I have looked at a lot of those times and I can match and
> sometimes better them. BTW I dont play Hawai as It would bankrupt me.
> I have some mates who play at my house and to be honest they just cant
> come to gripps know matter how much they try. As far as they are
> concerned they are going well. I can see what they are doing wrong but
> they dont listen which is what could be happening here. If i cant go
> that fast and i know i am good then they must be cheating....:-) Dont
> enter there head that they might just be plain hopless...

> Shane Lansky

> Hobart,Tasmania
> Australia

i agree with ya on that one there are just some people who just cant
get the hang of it. but there are some people that pull some speeds
off that are rediculas. like i seen a 200 mph qualifing lap at dega
how in hell ya explain that one? no matter how good ya are like i can see
198's and 197's in 120 deg temps but how do you get a 200 mph lap
in qualifing without a drafting partner? i mean i consider myself
a good driver up there i know im not the fastest and cant qualify
cause i run quicker laps in race trim then i do in qualifying but
some of these speeds are rediculas. i think i seen speeds of like 169 at
pocono ... come on i cant see anyone hitting 169's i can see 167's and 166's
or 194's and 195's at michigan thats quicker than some people at
dega... dont get me wrong i think ya have to be real great drivers out there
but i just think using these editors is an unfair advantage to the rest who
dont. i just cant see why people just cant race in the limitations of the game without
trying to find an advantage. for 1 reason it does tick me off to pay
all that money on a phone bill just to think that there are guys up
there that are cheating like whats the point then? you cant beat them
unless they wreck cause ya cant catch them cause they have a advantage on you..

by **moti..** » Sat, 09 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> .....Snip

> To true. Lets face it some people are just plain hopelless at racing
> sims. I have looked at a lot of those times and I can match and
> sometimes better them. BTW I dont play Hawai as It would bankrupt me.
> I have some mates who play at my house and to be honest they just cant
> come to gripps know matter how much they try. As far as they are
> concerned they are going well. I can see what they are doing wrong but
> they dont listen which is what could be happening here. If i cant go
> that fast and i know i am good then they must be cheating....:-) Dont
> enter there head that they might just be plain hopless...

> Shane Lansky

> Hobart,Tasmania
> Australia

i agree with ya on that one there are just some people who just cant
get the hang of it. but there are some people that pull some speeds
off that are rediculas. like i seen a 200 mph qualifing lap at dega
how in hell ya explain that one? no matter how good ya are like i can see
198's and 197's in 120 deg temps but how do you get a 200 mph lap
in qualifing without a drafting partner? i mean i consider myself
a good driver up there i know im not the fastest and cant qualify
cause i run quicker laps in race trim then i do in qualifying but
some of these speeds are rediculas. i think i seen speeds of like 169 at
pocono ... come on i cant see anyone hitting 169's i can see 167's and 166's
or 194's and 195's at michigan thats quicker than some people at
dega... dont get me wrong i think ya have to be real great drivers out there
but i just think using these editors is an unfair advantage to the rest who
dont. i just cant see why people just cant race in the limitations of the game without
trying to find an advantage.

by **Sager Moritz** » Sat, 09 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Well this pretty much says it all:

*******************************
Welcome to "Hawaii"! - The NASCAR Racing League Prototype

Press <ESC> to return to Main Menu.

Rule Clarification: Any program external to NASCAR/Hawaii used to
enhance on track performance IS cheating. Re-read NRL_0796.TXT if
you've forgotten. Just because you haven't been
caught/warned/suspended/
permanently banned from the NRL yet, doesn't mean you won't be.
Proceed
at your own risk.

*******************************

Just be careful downloading .stg files from the net cause there are
some out there that aren't exactly kosher.

Thanks Papyrus.

Viper

by **Richard Walk** » Sat, 09 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Excellent post. Respect _is_ what it is all about. There are no huge
monetary prizes, so what possible motive can there be to cheat? Don't
these guys realise that they are actually cheating themselves of the
respect they might otherwise be able to achieve from their fellow racers?

A man without the respect of his peers is a very poor man indeed :(

Richard

by **Luca Varan** » Sat, 09 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> Luca..

> A couple of weeks ago, I was curious if there was a setup guide for Gp2. So can
> I can take some of the time off of learning the setups for GP2. Evidentally,
> there isn't. So I decided to study the setup procedures on my own. Sheesh..

> I have learned alot about GP2 since then..; )

Don't get me wrong, I don't care about what you want to tell and I thought
the setup article you posted a while ago is really useful.
I just wanted to point out that maybe you exagerated a bit in describing
your ten years experience and your many racing jobs, isn't it? :)
I seriously had a good time out of it, though, so it was a good thing :)

Bye,
Luca

by **Mark McCue** » Sat, 09 Nov 1996 04:00:00

That's our League Administrator! We're real proud of him! (g)

by **Mark McCue** » Sat, 09 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> deal where so many other factors come into play. Qualifying on the > other
> hand is a little more useful but still plays a small role in the longer
> races.

Case in point:

Fin Str Car Driver Laps Led Reason Out
---------------------------------------------------------------
5 16 #35 markmc 196 11 Running

Yes Ripp, I'm grinning from ear to ear!
...and no, this isn't an endor***t for blowing off building good
qualifiers. It's just that a Lot can happen over 200 laps as opposed to
20... and that's what I like about the south!

by **Shane Lans** » Tue, 12 Nov 1996 04:00:00

>>Have you ever done "any real" racing before?? The rules on Hawaii does not state
>>anything about it.. So it's perfectly legal..

>Dumbass. You are given a certain set of parameters that you can adjust to
>try to make your car faster than other drivers. Adjusting anything
>OUTSIDE of those parameters is CHEATING!

hahahaha.... I guess you realise that anyone who cheats is never going
to see that what you say is 100% right. They have to win at all costs.
All it means is that they need to cheat as they have not got a hope in
hell of getting to the top as they realise they are just not good
enough..... :-)

Shane Lansky

Hobart,Tasmania
Australia

by **Ken How** » Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:00:00

>I was looking for past articles about setups, and I find something which
>I find funny.

>> Hey now! The reason why I said I conquered the game is because I felt I was fast
>> enough and know enough to hold my own!!

>> Pity, really?? You must really think I am stupid or something. Tony, you really
>> don't know who I am, or what I have been through "real" racing. You see, for the
>> past couple years I have worked on a NASCAR Sportsman team and have a NASCAR Pit
>> Crew's license. I also have a NHRA Driver's license to sub 9 sec in the quarter.
>> I have been racing since I was 16. I have well over a decade of experience
>> probably more than you will ever have!!
>I am completely lost in setting up a car, and reading the graphs..Could someone
>please help me??
>thanks
>Julian Data #0004
> Director of Information Technology, Consultant, "Ace" Test Driver

He's a total dork. Thanks for the chuckle.

Ken

by **Darin Ca** » Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Tony Johns said:
I would be delighted to find that you are as fast as you claim under

Tony, if he accepts your challenge, let me know when so I can log on and
watch this bad boy for myself. It could be bigger than Tyson-Holyfield !!
:)

-

by **Randy Peppl** » Sun, 17 Nov 1996 04:00:00

"

Excellantly put Brian. To me the etiguette of a sport is just as if
not more important than the rules. The "grey" area Julian talks about
,which to me is cheating, may not break the "rules" of hawaii, but it
certainly violates the etiquette.

Randy
Labatt_49

by **Alan Tinde** » Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:00:00

I entered my first race two nights ago after playing NASCAR on my home
computer for some time. Great sim, but there is definately some
cheating. Some nimrod user id SLACKJAW was involved in an accident in
my last race ad Dega and was able to come back from almost a lap down
and pass me in three laps. I was turning speeds of 194 and 195 and he
passed me like I was standing still in the tri-oval (he was also out
of control and ran me into the wall) I finished 6th out of about 18
cars so I was obviously running pretty well.

I know how to remove the restictor plate at Dega and I am convinced
that this is what many are doing. I will send an email to papy
regarding this user and I encourage others to do the same. We can
clean this up, and have some fun.

PS
some of you guys and gals out there need more practice before entering
Hawaii. Your killing those of us who know how to drive. There were 6
accidents in the 3 races I ran last night. One of them took me out
because the guy who wrecked left his car at the top of the turn 3 laps
after the wreck and took me out while I was attempting to pass.

Weekend Racer. Gotta Lovitt
work hard and spend your money
racing.

Go 24

by **Pete Resto** » Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Alan, only solution is to get into a league, although not perfect
the problem drivers will get removed by League Admins!

Pete

> I entered my first race two nights ago after playing NASCAR on my home
> computer for some time. Great sim, but there is definately some
> cheating. Some nimrod user id SLACKJAW was involved in an accident in
> my last race ad Dega and was able to come back from almost a lap down
> and pass me in three laps. I was turning speeds of 194 and 195 and he
> passed me like I was standing still in the tri-oval (he was also out
> of control and ran me into the wall) I finished 6th out of about 18
> cars so I was obviously running pretty well.

> I know how to remove the restictor plate at Dega and I am convinced
> that this is what many are doing. I will send an email to papy
> regarding this user and I encourage others to do the same. We can
> clean this up, and have some fun.

> PS
> some of you guys and gals out there need more practice before entering
> Hawaii. Your killing those of us who know how to drive. There were 6
> accidents in the 3 races I ran last night. One of them took me out
> because the guy who wrecked left his car at the top of the turn 3 laps
> after the wreck and took me out while I was attempting to pass.

> Weekend Racer. Gotta Lovitt
> work hard and spend your money
> racing.

> Go 24

by **Buster Hieme** » Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> PS
> some of you guys and gals out there need more practice before entering
> Hawaii. Your killing those of us who know how to drive. There were 6
> accidents in the 3 races I ran last night. One of them took me out
> because the guy who wrecked left his car at the top of the turn 3 laps
> after the wreck and took me out while I was attempting to pass.

> Weekend Racer. Gotta Lovitt
> work hard and spend your money
> racing.

> Go 24

Do you know how to drive.....oooooooooo......what a man...nobody else
does....oooooooooooo.....lets ban everyone that has a life.......

Looks like a rather safe night in hawaii. In the real world, I think
that the winston cup races would love to see "only" 6 accidents in 3
weekends of racing. As for the car taking you out, maybe you should
have zigged instead of zagged.

Let everybody have fun, not just the people that have nothing better to
do with their time than to strap up in front of their computer and
believe that they're A.J. Foyt trapped in a geeks life.

yours truly...

bdmfsh

by **Dana Baile** » Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> > PS
> > some of you guys and gals out there need more practice before entering
> > Hawaii. Your killing those of us who know how to drive. There were 6
> > accidents in the 3 races I ran last night. One of them took me out
> > because the guy who wrecked left his car at the top of the turn 3 laps
> > after the wreck and took me out while I was attempting to pass.

> > Weekend Racer. Gotta Lovitt
> > work hard and spend your money
> > racing.

> > Go 24

> Do you know how to drive.....oooooooooo......what a man...nobody else
> does....oooooooooooo.....lets ban everyone that has a life.......

> Looks like a rather safe night in hawaii. In the real world, I think
> that the winston cup races would love to see "only" 6 accidents in 3
> weekends of racing. As for the car taking you out, maybe you should
> have zigged instead of zagged.

> Let everybody have fun, not just the people that have nothing better to
> do with their time than to strap up in front of their computer and
> believe that they're A.J. Foyt trapped in a geeks life.

> yours truly...

> bdmfsh

His post may have seemed a bit harsh, but he was right. Why would you
spend the money for long distance to get on and then do stupid things
that ruin the fun for others. If you are not there to enjoy good
competition then you should just stay off. On the other hand, if Alan
was talking about his pickup races at Dega then he should have known
better than to be there.

Dana Bailes

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