rec.autos.simulators

> ============================================================================
> As a further measure, we have created a series of ID's which will be
> used by
> various people (both internal and external to Papyrus/Sierra, NASCAR
> and/or
> the NRL) to test certain things including anti-hacking measures.  In the
> past, we have been doing this covertly.  Now, we will be doing it
> overtly.
> These ID's are "TESTER##".  If you see these ID's online, it is someone
> working for/with us who is testing new code on the client and/or
> server.
> As such, you might see some "extraordinary" behavior in terms of driving
> performance.  Rest assured, these testers will have no impact on your
> skill
> level.  When the results of any event are tabulated, it will be done as
> if
> the TESTER## driver was never in the race.
> ===========================================================================

> Ok, what that means is that PAPYRUS would be supplying some of its beta
> testers
> with lots of methods to achieve super performance.  These methods could
> be:

>         Fractional Garages programs
>         Software TSR's
>         and /or Hardware.
>         Control Configurations
>         Single versus multi-pot control devices!!!
>         GameCards - like the R&R I use that cost me over $250.00!!!
>         etc. etc. etc.

> Now PAPYRUS might come back and deny this, but remember in the July
> 1996 newsletters they said they were going to do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Now that PAPYRUS has let the cat out of the bag or redistribted these
> methods amongst some of thier testers, the questions is do the testers
> use or tell anyone of these techniques for game play.

> Of Course I commented about this 6 months ago and got flamed.  Now maybe
> some of the roasters can see the picture and problem more closely.
> I just hope that fixes are made and tricks are forgotten before the NRO
> starts.

> BEFORE YOU FLAME ME REMEMBER IT WAS ED MARTIN THAT SAID" YOU MIGHT SEE
> SOME EXTRAORDINARY BEHAVIOR AND THAT PAPYRUS WOULD BE TESTING
> OVERTLY!!!"
> and it was PAPYRUS that would supply this knowledege to the
> priveledged BETA TESTERS!!

> Don Wilshe, IVGA
> (941) 945-2587

> PS.     PAPYRUS COMMUNICATION PROTOCOL 101 is SPOKEN HERE!!!!!!!!!!

> Drivers:

> The IVGA does not appove of cheating, but is testing cheating??

> All of this whinning about super performance on hawaii is a waste of
> time.
> If you believe that a certain driver has extraordinary performance than
> dont race with him.  The 1st thing you must remember is that the HAWAII
> system is a beta test enviroment.  It's not perfect, its a test bed
> and its primary purpose is for testing, not RACING.

> When the NRO is released than all that PAPYRUS has learned both good and
> bad will be implemented as to NOT DISHONOR NASCAR.  Believe when NASCAR
> tells PAPYRUS to jump and make this perfect they listen and do what they
> are told.  Now lets all re-read the section that ED MARTIN, remember
> that
> guy who used to email us.  This section came from his newsletter dated
> NRL_0796.txt.  Please read this letter and I will give you my editorial
> that will follow it.. Now Ed Martin said:

> ============================================================================
> As a further measure, we have created a series of ID's which will be
> used by
> various people (both internal and external to Papyrus/Sierra, NASCAR
> and/or
> the NRL) to test certain things including anti-hacking measures.  In the
> past, we have been doing this covertly.  Now, we will be doing it
> overtly.
> These ID's are "TESTER##".  If you see these ID's online, it is someone
> working for/with us who is testing new code on the client and/or
> server.
> As such, you might see some "extraordinary" behavior in terms of driving
> performance.  Rest assured, these testers will have no impact on your
> skill
> level.  When the results of any event are tabulated, it will be done as
> if
> the TESTER## driver was never in the race.
> ===========================================================================

> Ok, what that means is that PAPYRUS would be supplying some of its beta
> testers
> with lots of methods to achieve super performance.  These methods could
> be:

>         Fractional Garages programs
>         Software TSR's
>         and /or Hardware.
>         Control Configurations
>         Single versus multi-pot control devices!!!
>         GameCards - like the R&R I use that cost me over $250.00!!!
>         etc. etc. etc.

> Now PAPYRUS might come back and deny this, but remember in the July
> 1996 newsletters they said they were going to do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Now that PAPYRUS has let the cat out of the bag or redistribted these
> methods amongst some of thier testers, the questions is do the testers
> use or tell anyone of these techniques for game play.

> Of Course I commented about this 6 months ago and got flamed.  Now maybe
> some of the roasters can see the picture and problem more closely.
> I just hope that fixes are made and tricks are forgotten before the NRO
> starts.

> BEFORE YOU FLAME ME REMEMBER IT WAS ED MARTIN THAT SAID" YOU MIGHT SEE
> SOME EXTRAORDINARY BEHAVIOR AND THAT PAPYRUS WOULD BE TESTING
> OVERTLY!!!"
> and it was PAPYRUS that would supply this knowledege to the
> priveledged BETA TESTERS!!

> Don Wilshe, IVGA
> (941) 945-2587

> PS.     PAPYRUS COMMUNICATION PROTOCOL 101 is SPOKEN HERE!!!!!!!!!!

>All of this whinning about super performance on hawaii is a waste of
>time. If you believe that a certain driver has extraordinary
>performance than dont race with him.

> Drivers:

> The IVGA does not appove of cheating, but is testing cheating??

> All of this whinning about super performance on hawaii is a waste of
> time.
> If you believe that a certain driver has extraordinary performance than
> dont race with him.  The 1st thing you must remember is that the HAWAII
> system is a beta test enviroment.  It's not perfect, its a test bed
> and its primary purpose is for testing, not RACING.

> > Drivers:

> > The IVGA does not appove of cheating, but is testing cheating??

> > All of this whinning about super performance on hawaii is a waste of
> > time.
> > If you believe that a certain driver has extraordinary performance than
> > dont race with him.  The 1st thing you must remember is that the HAWAII
> > system is a beta test enviroment.  It's not perfect, its a test bed
> > and its primary purpose is for testing, not RACING.

>     Don, Don, Don......Geeez.......you really gotta think about altering
> the medication level man....either more or less, I'm not sure which way
> would be better, but you're starting to babble again, and it's not nearly
> as funny nowadays as it use to be. I can understand y'all being pissed
> off about having to grow up in Allegan and all, probably got your ass
> kicked on the way to school most every day, and lost yer lunch money
> alot, but LET IT GO MAN!!! It's 40 +  years later now, and I'd bet that
> none of us here in HAWAII had anything to do with your rotten childhood.
> It just aint healthy man to get so damn much pleasure out of bursting
> everybodys bubble, and tearing everything down. YOU NEED HELP!

>      And as far as your buddy Huggins is concerned (and any other of your
> cheating/hacking brethren that I aint had the misfortune to run across
> yet), a man that would cheat others that he's befriended, just because
> they cant see his face, or get to him without a half days drive, is a
> VERY small man indeed. This whole thing certainly brings to mind the old
> saying "birds of a feather flock together" or is that " honor among
> thieves"? In the replay I have with your hacker buddy in it, it dont say
> "TESTER1",  it says "rhuggins". The difference here that you seem
> completely unable to distinguish is that if he had been testing, he
> should have been man enough to tell us up front that he was using an
> enhanced system instead of sneaking around on the track using his "turbo"
> button to gain MAJOR ground on the competition, without them having a
> clue what the hell was going on. This kind of person is also capable of
> cheating on his wife and stealing from his employer and friends. And the
> really sad thing is that, that kind of person can justify that type of
> behavior to themselves, and live without guilt, where the average man
> with scruples would have sleepless nights on end.

>      My suggestion to you Don is to GET LOST. You're like the Bruton
> Smith of the virtual world, and your bitterness and vindictiveness at not
> being the star at center stage here is really getting annoying. I suggest
> you try and resolve your childhood problems and then get on with your
> life somewhere else......and remember......you cant go home again!

>      geeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz............................

>      I'd like to go on, but if I do, I'll have to up MY medication
> too<g>.

>      tom

>                                          1997"   8     8    8     8
>  Owner/Driver of the Kingsford                  8888888    8888888
>  Charcoal Monte Carlo.                         8     8    8     8
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> > Drivers:

> > The IVGA does not appove of cheating, but is testing cheating??

> > All of this whinning about super performance on hawaii is a waste of
> > time.
> > If you believe that a certain driver has extraordinary performance than
> > dont race with him.  The 1st thing you must remember is that the HAWAII
> > system is a beta test enviroment.  It's not perfect, its a test bed
> > and its primary purpose is for testing, not RACING.

>     Don, Don, Don......Geeez.......you really gotta think about altering
> the medication level man....either more or less, I'm not sure which way
> would be better, but you're starting to babble again, and it's not nearly
> as funny nowadays as it use to be. I can understand y'all being pissed
> off about having to grow up in Allegan and all, probably got your ass
> kicked on the way to school most every day, and lost yer lunch money
> alot, but LET IT GO MAN!!! It's 40 +  years later now, and I'd bet that
> none of us here in HAWAII had anything to do with your rotten childhood.
> It just aint healthy man to get so damn much pleasure out of bursting
> everybodys bubble, and tearing everything down. YOU NEED HELP!

>      And as far as your buddy Huggins is concerned (and any other of your
> cheating/hacking brethren that I aint had the misfortune to run across
> yet), a man that would cheat others that he's befriended, just because
> they cant see his face, or get to him without a half days drive, is a
> VERY small man indeed. This whole thing certainly brings to mind the old
> saying "birds of a feather flock together" or is that " honor among
> thieves"? In the replay I have with your hacker buddy in it, it dont say
> "TESTER1",  it says "rhuggins". The difference here that you seem
> completely unable to distinguish is that if he had been testing, he
> should have been man enough to tell us up front that he was using an
> enhanced system instead of sneaking around on the track using his "turbo"
> button to gain MAJOR ground on the competition, without them having a
> clue what the hell was going on. This kind of person is also capable of
> cheating on his wife and stealing from his employer and friends. And the
> really sad thing is that, that kind of person can justify that type of
> behavior to themselves, and live without guilt, where the average man
> with scruples would have sleepless nights on end.

>      My suggestion to you Don is to GET LOST. You're like the Bruton
> Smith of the virtual world, and your bitterness and vindictiveness at not
> being the star at center stage here is really getting annoying. I suggest
> you try and resolve your childhood problems and then get on with your
> life somewhere else......and remember......you cant go home again!

>      geeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz............................

>      I'd like to go on, but if I do, I'll have to up MY medication
> too<g>.

>      tom

>                                          1997"   8     8    8     8
>  Owner/Driver of the Kingsford                  8888888    8888888
>  Charcoal Monte Carlo.                         8     8    8     8
>  3rd Coast Racing runs with NIGHT OWLS        8888888    8888888
>  http://www.synapse.net/~crankstr/nightowl/nightowl.htm

> On Fri, 04 Apr 1997 20:49:48 -0500, "Paul Carillon Jr."

> >Excuse me Don but you say that hawaii is not racing and that IVGA doesnt
> >approve of cheating?????

> The IVGA doesn't approve of cheating.. You are not probably understand
> the issue that is at hand here..

> > You make no sense you say "testing is
> >cheating" so you and your IVGA goofs are not on there to race but to
> >practice your cheating skills because obvisiously you are not on there
> >like a majority of us are.

> Hmm.. Name calling.. Is that all you can do?? That's not going to
> ressolve anything now, is it? I guess you don't believe in movement
> towards techonology do you??

> Damn, if "we" were in some type of "motorsport" association, I guess
> we would stay on "one plane". We would "never" advance forward in
> technology!!!!!! The HP would be the same, eh?? Chassis/suspension the
> same?? Materials?? Sheesh.. If you don't test things out how is
> anything going to be learned????? HUH?????

> Scenario: Let's put the IVGA aside, lets say this has "never" happened
> on Hawaii and NRO has started.. And.. It happens.. Now what??
> Evidentally there's a "flaw" in NRO and it needs to be corrected!!

> .. that is to race against drivers who are
> >fast and respectable and enjoy the thrill of legal competition.i have
> >been on Hawaii for almost a year now and the only time i hear of trouble
> >it always has IVGA around it

> Hmm.. the IVGA guys..Name them.. Come on.. This is the Internet, there
> is so much BS out there!!!

> I am from Missouri.. so "SHOW ME".. I betcha it's just hearsay...

> I enjoy competition.  The term "legal" is defined as one see them!!
> Remember the "gray areas"??? NOT everyone thinks the same do we?

> >.I think the IVGA is a joke you have guys i
> >believe are respectable,so dont get me wrong but you are a joke .You
> >always seem to make everything you do as if you are the "God" of racing
> >and i think if i remeber right you had your members send you there
> >setups to make sure they werent corrupt which then gave you access to
> >all the fast setups?????

> Ahh.. the "setup controversey".. Hmm.. I see a "whiner" here, I guess
> you don't believe in your own "talents", eh?? I guess you "progressive
> forward"???; ) Remember, "a setup is only has good as the person who
> made it!!" I don't know if you have noticed, but not one setup doesn't
> work for everyone!! So take a "chill pill"!! Okay??

> There are several variables that come into an account when using
> someone's else's setup. For example, the PC configuration.. Hmm. duh??

> Hmm.. A "God of racing", how?? We are an organization for "Sim Racers"
> to level the playing field.. You have to find the flaws, ya know..
> Hick Hick..; )  Granted there are probably some "other" organizations
> that think the same of their group.

> >?I could be wrong but i am pretty sure i am
> >right on this.I still cant believe that you say Hawaii is a test bed and
> >is not racing...

> Do you remember BETA for NRO?? Does this mean the term BETA means
> final?? Dude, look at reality.. It's NOT THE FINAL!!!

> TEST BED for FLAWS in the PAPY WAREZ...;-)

> > Man i just dont understand you.

> Maybe you need to look back in dejavu news???

> >Sure its the test bed
> >for the NRO but we have to race and get a skill level to get into the
> >upper level in NRO

> Yeah.. so?? I really think this isn't right. Granted, your skill is
> based on "survival" of the fitness on Hawaii, BUT, what also counts is
> the "speed" that is obtained. The faster you are, the easier you can
> move up the ladder.. BUT this is with the N1 physics engine!! NRO will
> be using N2, which really has a "different" feel to it. So I think
> some of the fast guys in Hawaii, will NOT be as FAST in NRO!! Except
> the fortunate BETA TESTERs for NRO!!!!

> >so if you jokers

> OKay.. Batman..; )

> > want to test your Illegal setups to
> >gain so be it but Most of are on Hawaii to race.

> "Illegal"?? Who said illegal?? I have NEVER said I have used it on
> HAWAII!! Twisted again.. sheesh.. I bet you don't even remember how it
> started..

> >BTW one other thing I
> >have raced against your buddy Huggins and found him to be clean but i
> >was amazed at the fact that at a Dover race recently,like in the last 2
> >weeks, he caught me at Dover in 2 laps after being 5 secs back and i was
> >running speeds in the the hi 159's and lo 160's so go figure.When he
> >caught me he was running the same speeds hhhmmmm... must have been on
> >there Testing huh!.

> Probably.. He probably working with Papy?? What do you think?? He was
> a TESTER# .. ya know.. Hick Hick..; )

> Damn, I hear the cows moving about in the pastures..; ) Hehe..

> take care

> Julian "Mr. Turtle" Data
> IVGA Member 0004
> The N2 "SkunksWorks" is in progress
> Verite/3DFX owner

>>I would be willing to be that the beta testers will not be allowed to
>>compete in the NRL anyways, you might want to check into that fact before
>>you start assuming that these testers are going to be cheating in the NRL.

>Err.. I believe you are wrong!! I think "they" will be allowed to
>enter NRO... I think "favoritism" might be an issue here..

>Yes, the IVGA does NOT approve cheating, only to find flaws in the
>sims. So yes we do "TEST" alot!!!; ) Without "testing", there would be
>no progress in technology or knowledge.. Am I correct everyone??

>> You guys
>>are ignorant!

>Not ignorant..But rather "open minded".. Open your mind, dude.. First
>of all, what IVGA member is cheating?