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by **P.C. Oxfor** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:36:54

'If goven a choice LPI is the only ranking I'd *keep*

Such a great shame Papyrus never keept the "minimum-LPI-to-join-race"
criteria we had on TEN.'
ed_

'FYI that feature will be included in the upcoming 1.1 patch.'
- Eric Busch

This means,too the best of my knowledge, SS races as far as the eye can see
since no one will risk their precious 'LPI' at Richmond, Bristol, or Sears.
Or maybe I'm missing something.

On a positive note, I can't think of a software product as 'finished' as
NASCAR 2002. Truly outstanding quality control on the part of Papyrus. That
said I will add a couple of niggles to my wish list:
1- Suppress the Ideal Racing Line in races. Or give the server boss that
option. It detracts from the old Immersion Factor.
2- Too many blown engines during qualifying.

Can't think of anything else.

by **Joachim Trens** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:32:54

HI PC,

I wouldn't worry about that. Because once a server sets a higher minimum lpi
requirement, there will be better and cleaner drivers in that race, and it
will be far less risky for our lpi to join that race. Apart from the fact
that it'll be a lot more fun racing with the cleaner drivers.

Finally we'll see realistic races there instead of accident-dodging
contests.

Achim

by **Ed Solhei** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:56:07

I beg to differ....

This will give us the chance to race others with equal equal or better
LPI... Meaning that the next time you join a 4-10 race - you dont have to
ask your self if the bozo behind you got his skill-points by being clean or
just be being persistant (sp?).... you know his LPI atlest matches some
kind of minimum.

I for one would rather race 10 guys with skill level 1 and and LPI of 100+
than 1 guy with skill level 5 and an LPI under 10. To me racing is about
competion in a safe clean enviroment - not muscleing (sp?) one's way to the
front in the shortest time possible.

--
ed_

"P.C. Oxford" said:

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:02:10

Is there any way to have our lpi reset other than using a new name?

As I said in another thread, my lpi is at 30, but only because I ran in so
many SS pick up races after the game was released and before we got things
organized here at r.a.s. with the RASCAR races. I've only had four incidents
in the 10 RASCAR races we've run (one my fault) and would probably have an
lpi of about 200 if I had used a new user name when we started them. I don't
want to be locked out of any races when the patch is released.

David G Fisher

by **Olav Malmi** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:14:14

Good point David. There should have been a history dimention to the
lpi aswell. Like calculate the lpi on the last 30 races or something
like that. Drivers improve, but the lpi don't reflect that.

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by **John Simmon** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:12:35

Welcome to pickup racing. I wouldn't worry about it too much Dave.
With this weekend's races, I went from 15.3 to 22.4 in LPI. I don't
race a lot, and when I started racing on eldred's server, it's done
nothing but increase. If we could have races on weekdays, our LPI's
would get better faster. :)

People that have less than 10 lpi after 30 races arer typically WAY
below 10 (6 or lower), and this is a fairly consistant indication of
wrecker status.

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by **Mar** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:28:51

So, how does one get onto the ladder. I have not joined a league and
have not raced online yet in N2K2. My N4 LPI was pretty cruddy
(20ish), because with the limited time I have all I could partake in
was pickups on Papy servers, which, given I actually wanted a field to
race against, were almost always SS, and therefore almost inevitably
wrecker-fests. It's actually been months since I've ventured online.
I don't want to risk other people's fun getting online until I have a
PC that's more up to the task (it pains me to be missing out on
RASCAR), but once I do, am I even going to be able to get started?

With wreckers locked out, will newbies have a chance?

As an aside, it may be a little while before I can get to RASCAR for
reasons mentioned above, but can I reserve #69?

Pretty please???

Mark
Reading, UK

> I wouldn't worry about that. Because once a server sets a higher minimum lpi
> requirement, there will be better and cleaner drivers in that race, and it
> will be far less risky for our lpi to join that race. Apart from the fact
> that it'll be a lot more fun racing with the cleaner drivers.

> Finally we'll see realistic races there instead of accident-dodging
> contests.

by **Olav Malmi** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:35:04

> So, how does one get onto the ladder. I have not joined a league and
> have not raced online yet in N2K2. My N4 LPI was pretty cruddy
> (20ish), because with the limited time I have all I could partake in
> was pickups on Papy servers, which, given I actually wanted a field to
> race against, were almost always SS, and therefore almost inevitably
> wrecker-fests. It's actually been months since I've ventured online.
> I don't want to risk other people's fun getting online until I have a
> PC that's more up to the task (it pains me to be missing out on
> RASCAR), but once I do, am I even going to be able to get started?

There's no need as far as I can see to use lpi restrictions at RASCAR
races as long as there is a password.

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by **John Simmon** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:49:37

> > So, how does one get onto the ladder. I have not joined a league and
> > have not raced online yet in N2K2. My N4 LPI was pretty cruddy
> > (20ish), because with the limited time I have all I could partake in
> > was pickups on Papy servers, which, given I actually wanted a field to
> > race against, were almost always SS, and therefore almost inevitably
> > wrecker-fests. It's actually been months since I've ventured online.
> > I don't want to risk other people's fun getting online until I have a
> > PC that's more up to the task (it pains me to be missing out on
> > RASCAR), but once I do, am I even going to be able to get started?

> There's no need as far as I can see to use lpi restrictions at RASCAR
> races as long as there is a password.

We could/should still use the muzzle/ban list that's being maintained.
We don't want some wrecker *** to wander in here and see a chance to
ruin passworded races by jumping into ours.

I also think we should use LPI restrictions (setting the minimum LPI to
10). It's our group and we have every right to expect it to be
protected from the morons and children.

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by **Olav Malmi** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:56:43

> > > So, how does one get onto the ladder. I have not joined a league and
> > > have not raced online yet in N2K2. My N4 LPI was pretty cruddy
> > > (20ish), because with the limited time I have all I could partake in
> > > was pickups on Papy servers, which, given I actually wanted a field to
> > > race against, were almost always SS, and therefore almost inevitably
> > > wrecker-fests. It's actually been months since I've ventured online.
> > > I don't want to risk other people's fun getting online until I have a
> > > PC that's more up to the task (it pains me to be missing out on
> > > RASCAR), but once I do, am I even going to be able to get started?

> > There's no need as far as I can see to use lpi restrictions at RASCAR
> > races as long as there is a password.

> We could/should still use the muzzle/ban list that's being maintained.
> We don't want some wrecker *** to wander in here and see a chance to
> ruin passworded races by jumping into ours.

> I also think we should use LPI restrictions (setting the minimum LPI to
> 10). It's our group and we have every right to expect it to be
> protected from the morons and children.

But it's passworded. And this is the only place to get it. Of course,
if it is a super moron who bothers to search newsgroups for passwords
to ruin others races, then I don't think a lpi restriction will help
much. IMHO of course. My biggest problem right now is to be antisocial
enough with my friends to be able to attend the races at all (10 pm
saturday...) so my saying isn't worth squat at the moment :)

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by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:08:29

>My biggest problem right now is to be antisocial
> enough with my friends to be able to attend the races at all (10 pm
> saturday...) so my saying isn't worth squat at the moment :)

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Mikkel Gram-Hansen mentioned he would look into supplying a server for
European RASCAR races. Don't know what the status is with that.

David G Fisher

by **Kevi** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:28:57

"On a positive note, I can't think of a software product as 'finished' as
NASCAR 2002."

It's hard to imagine anyone actually thinking this. It's still beta
software IMO. Perhaps the multiplayer portion of it but even that is buggy.
The sound issue alone excludes the game from being anywhere close to gold,
or what should have been gold. We all got suckered. Again, just my opinion.

by **Olav Malmi** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:32:45

> "On a positive note, I can't think of a software product as 'finished' as
> NASCAR 2002."

> It's hard to imagine anyone actually thinking this. It's still beta
> software IMO. Perhaps the multiplayer portion of it but even that is buggy.
> The sound issue alone excludes the game from being anywhere close to gold,
> or what should have been gold. We all got suckered. Again, just my opinion.

Compared to the state of F1 2001 at release (no ff and STILL no proper
split axis for the MSFF (don't give me that dxtweak excuse)) I'd say
N2002 works pretty well. Specially on a non XP-environment :)

> > 'If goven a choice LPI is the only ranking I'd *keep*

> > Such a great shame Papyrus never keept the "minimum-LPI-to-join-race"
> > criteria we had on TEN.'
> > ed_

> > 'FYI that feature will be included in the upcoming 1.1 patch.'
> > - Eric Busch

> > This means,too the best of my knowledge, SS races as far as the eye can
> see
> > since no one will risk their precious 'LPI' at Richmond, Bristol, or
> Sears.
> > Or maybe I'm missing something.

> > On a positive note, I can't think of a software product as 'finished' as
> > NASCAR 2002. Truly outstanding quality control on the part of Papyrus.
> That
> > said I will add a couple of niggles to my wish list:
> > 1- Suppress the Ideal Racing Line in races. Or give the server boss that
> > option. It detracts from the old Immersion Factor.
> > 2- Too many blown engines during qualifying.

> > Can't think of anything else.

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by **John Pancoas** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:00:24

Yep. Forcing non-use of the driving line ? Who cares if someone uses it
? A bit on the extreme side IMO.

-John

> >On a positive note, I can't think of a software product as 'finished' as
> >NASCAR 2002. Truly outstanding quality control on the part of Papyrus.
That
> >said I will add a couple of niggles to my wish list:
> >1- Suppress the Ideal Racing Line in races. Or give the server boss that
> >option. It detracts from the old Immersion Factor.

> I disagree with this. Smoke and even forced***pit I can understand,
> but why the driving line? Might as well have the server force
> surround sound and the cars/distance drawn too :)

> >Can't think of anything else.

> I wish there was a way to connect to a server as a 'broadcaster'. I
> connect to Server X and can't race, but other people can now join MY
> computer and watch the race.

by **John Pancoas** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:02:40

To a point, I'd agree with this. Still have some of the problems
pre-patch N4, and earlier versions, did(pace car bugs, AI issues for those
that race that way, etc.).

-John

> "On a positive note, I can't think of a software product as 'finished' as
> NASCAR 2002."

> It's hard to imagine anyone actually thinking this. It's still beta
> software IMO. Perhaps the multiplayer portion of it but even that is
buggy.
> The sound issue alone excludes the game from being anywhere close to gold,
> or what should have been gold. We all got suckered. Again, just my
opinion.

> > 'If goven a choice LPI is the only ranking I'd *keep*

> > Such a great shame Papyrus never keept the "minimum-LPI-to-join-race"
> > criteria we had on TEN.'
> > ed_

> > 'FYI that feature will be included in the upcoming 1.1 patch.'
> > - Eric Busch

> > This means,too the best of my knowledge, SS races as far as the eye can
> see
> > since no one will risk their precious 'LPI' at Richmond, Bristol, or
> Sears.
> > Or maybe I'm missing something.

> > On a positive note, I can't think of a software product as 'finished' as
> > NASCAR 2002. Truly outstanding quality control on the part of Papyrus.
> That
> > said I will add a couple of niggles to my wish list:
> > 1- Suppress the Ideal Racing Line in races. Or give the server boss that
> > option. It detracts from the old Immersion Factor.
> > 2- Too many blown engines during qualifying.

> > Can't think of anything else.

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