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by **Griffin, the Slay** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

Having never used an FF wheel, but always wanted to, I am concidering
buying one when I upgrade my PC in a little while - if I ever get
aroun to it, that is. :)

I like the look of the Microsoft FF wheel, and am especially pleased
by its weight, as the steering wheel I have at the moment often slips
and slides around.

The most important thing to me is the number of programmable buttons.
The more the better!

The second important thing is that it have the wheel, the gearstick
and the pedals. My wheel has all three at the moment, and only cost
49.99. :)

If somebody could please let me know the name of a good FF wheel, and
where one can buy it from in England, I would appreciate it.

Cheers.

Griffin, the Slayer

by **Tony Wys** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

This is a very tough decision. Logitech's Formula Force is a very good setup
and seems to be the best (besides TSW2) for GPL. Although it lacks the
gearstick which you want. I got a hands-on look at the Shifter RS (preview

to ACT LABS' Force RS wheel, which is a solid choice on it's own. Some
complaints include tough pedals (sometimes) and flimsy F1 style-shifters.
The shifters have been redone though, and after giving them a test at E3,
they seem a lot better. Although, the shifter RS won't be out until this
fall, it's definately something to consider when purchasing your wheel.

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by **Griffin, the Slay** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 19 May 1999 01:42:39 GMT, "Tony Wyss"

>This is a very tough decision. Logitech's Formula Force is a very good setup
>and seems to be the best (besides TSW2) for GPL. Although it lacks the
>gearstick which you want. I got a hands-on look at the Shifter RS (preview

>to ACT LABS' Force RS wheel, which is a solid choice on it's own. Some
>complaints include tough pedals (sometimes) and flimsy F1 style-shifters.
>The shifters have been redone though, and after giving them a test at E3,
>they seem a lot better. Although, the shifter RS won't be out until this
>fall, it's definately something to consider when purchasing your wheel.

>--
>Tony Wyss, Editor-in-Chief
>Gamers Alliance Sports
>www.ga-sports.com
>-------------------------------
>Network Developer
>Gamers Alliance, Inc.
>www.gagames.com
>-------------------------------
>"I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player" - John Kruk

Thanks for that. I'll keep it in mind.

One other problem I have noticed is that the cable which goes from the
pedals to the back of my steering wheel is very short indeed. So short
in fact that I have to sit with the chair in its highest position,
with the pedals right up close. For somebody like myself, who is
around 6.3" tall, this is very difficult indeed. Are all of them like
this?

Griffin, the Slayer

by **Greg Cisk** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

What type of racing are you interested in??

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by **Marko Viitane** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

While saying(most of you guys;) that Logitech FF wheel is
better than other products I must remind you that if you play
GPL, the pedals are more important than the wheel itself...

MS FF has _much_ better pedals in every way(I have tested both).
(just an example: travel 5,5cm, where Logitech has only half of it..).

Is Logitech really worth the red color? ;)

Only thing I'm concerned is that is MS FF good after 6 months
of use?

Tony Wyss kirjoitti viestiss? ...

>This is a very tough decision. Logitech's Formula Force is a very good
setup
>and seems to be the best (besides TSW2) for GPL. Although it lacks the
>gearstick which you want. I got a hands-on look at the Shifter RS (preview

appeal
>to ACT LABS' Force RS wheel, which is a solid choice on it's own. Some
>complaints include tough pedals (sometimes) and flimsy F1 style-shifters.
>The shifters have been redone though, and after giving them a test at E3,
>they seem a lot better. Although, the shifter RS won't be out until this
>fall, it's definately something to consider when purchasing your wheel.

>--
>Tony Wyss, Editor-in-Chief
>Gamers Alliance Sports

by **Randy Wilso** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

<snip>
> Only thing I'm concerned is that is MS FF good after 6 months
> of use?

Yes!

Randy

by **Ian Robertso** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

Sure is Marko.

Although I lubricated the electric motor recently and it is smoother than I
can remember. And the pedals work really well with half a squashball under
the brake.

Ian

by **Mark Stah** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

better than other products I must remind you that if you play
GPL, the pedals are more important than the wheel itself...

of course, that bit about the pedals in GPL is true. but i hear that the
excellent CH pedals (which lots of us already have) can be used with the
Logitech. I hope this is the case. Would people choose the Logitech
unquestionably if the pedals were better?

On a related note, does the use of the pedals (in the gameport) and the
wheel (USB or serial port) negate the supposed CPU unloading one gets by not
using a wheel in the gameport? Does it make it even worse (since you're now
using USB and gameport?)

thanks

mark

by **Griffin, the Slay** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 19 May 1999 00:19:30 -0500, "Greg Cisko"

>>Having never used an FF wheel, but always wanted to, I am concidering
>>buying one when I upgrade my PC in a little while - if I ever get
>>aroun to it, that is. :)

>What type of racing are you interested in??

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Formula 1, Nascar, Indycar, etc. Pretty much all car racing. :)

I've noticed that the clutch in Viper Racing and GPL is analogue, so
are there any FF wheels with a good clutch pedal?

Griffin, the Slayer

by **J M. Hort** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

I've got MS FF Sidewinder Wheel in March for my birthday.

Got it from www.technomatic.co.uk and arrived the next day.
Also try www.insight.com - they are good as well - I get a lot of
hardware from them.

Which games have I used:
TOCA 2 - brilliant
NFSIII - brilliant
Grand Prix Legends - no FF, but a good wheel for it
Colin MCRAe Rally - with the new patch, very good
Carmageedon II - OK
test Drive 5 - Very Good
Ultimate Race Pro - OK
MS Monster Truck Madness - supplied with wheel - very good
MS Cart Precision Racing - supplied with wheel - OK

MS Midtown Madness is comiung out and I suppose it should work well
with that

Just make sure it is firmly seated.

It should cost you no more that 110 over the internet - you may over
the odds at shops, especially PC World

If you need any more help, please feel free to contact me

Matthew

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by **JimmyJam** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

Got my Logitech Formula Force working with the Ch pedals, makes all
the difference in the world! I can now actualy modulate the brake and
not just lock up my wheels like I used to do.

I would say yes! Allthough with the original pedals my best lap in the
Lotus around Watkins Glen was in the high 1.09's which really aint
half bad! The stock Logitech pedals arent really all that bad BUT the
CH pedals are Much Better. Funny thing though I've yet to beat that
record with the CH pedals as I'm still in the process of re-learning
how to brake agian! ( Aint fired up GPL for over a month until I set
it up with the CH pedals and I've only been using them for about 2
days now)

You lost me on that one, I have no idea what your talkiing about!

Jim

by **Greg Cisk** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

>of course, that bit about the pedals in GPL is true. but i hear that the
>excellent CH pedals (which lots of us already have) can be used with the
>Logitech. I hope this is the case. Would people choose the Logitech
>unquestionably if the pedals were better?

IMHO the logitech pedals are getting a bad rap. They are *WAY* better
than one would expect. In fact I don't give it a second thought. If I return
my Formula Force it certainly won't be because of the pedals.

I notice no difference in performance in F1RS between my LogitechUSB
and my TM T2 setup.

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by **Griffin, the Slay** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

>I've got MS FF Sidewinder Wheel in March for my birthday.

>Got it from www.technomatic.co.uk and arrived the next day.
>Also try www.insight.com - they are good as well - I get a lot of
>hardware from them.

>Which games have I used:
>TOCA 2 - brilliant
>NFSIII - brilliant
>Grand Prix Legends - no FF, but a good wheel for it
>Colin MCRAe Rally - with the new patch, very good
>Carmageedon II - OK
>test Drive 5 - Very Good
>Ultimate Race Pro - OK
>MS Monster Truck Madness - supplied with wheel - very good
>MS Cart Precision Racing - supplied with wheel - OK

>MS Midtown Madness is comiung out and I suppose it should work well
>with that

>Just make sure it is firmly seated.

>It should cost you no more that 110 over the internet - you may over
>the odds at shops, especially PC World

>If you need any more help, please feel free to contact me

>Matthew

>For all your Railroad Tyoon II needs visit U.K. Rail Express at
>http://rrtii.future.easyspace.com

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How many buttons does it have, and how heavy is it?

How stable does it feel?

Griffin, the Slayer

by **Chris Schlette** » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00

Nope, not yet. ALthough, since GPL recognizes 11 axii, you can always
configure an old joystick to act as an analogue clutch. :)

by **Jack Ramb** » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00

I think Randy Cassidy just indicated that 1.0 would support up to 8 *axes*
and that 1.1 would support at least 12, as reported by the Thrustmaster
Force GT.

Jack Rambo

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