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F1 2001 wheel dead zone

Ice

F1 2001 wheel dead zone

by Ice » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:11:08

How can I adjust the wheel settings (MOMO) in F1 2001, so the wheel has a
shorter 'travel' from left to right? The 270 degrees are a bit too much for
me, in this game anyway, so I'd like to trim something of the left and right
side. But on the dead zone menu for the wheel axis, there don't seem to be
any left/right-t*** sliders. You can only adjust the dead zone in the
middle, unless I'm overlooking something? I've seen this feature in most
other driving games. Or is there another kind of setting that I need to
adjust, like steering lock, or differential lock (what is that anyway?), or
wheel sensitivity maybe?

It feels ok overall, but in some really tight curves I wish I wouldn't have
to turn the wheel so far to achieve full left or right. Or it's like I'd
expect the car to make tighter turns, when I'm practically steering all the
way to the right or left. It's hard to explain...

Ice D

Marc Collin

F1 2001 wheel dead zone

by Marc Collin » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:12:34

Good luck.  It is so difficult to get a wheel set-up and adjusted properly
in this title without any special requests.

By the way, if you don't like the larger travel of the wheel, the MOMO
probably wasn't a good choice.

Marc.


Ice

F1 2001 wheel dead zone

by Ice » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:07:28

It's not that I don't like the 270 degrees at all, but I seem to be
struggling with it in F1 2001. It just doesn't feel right in a F1 car, to
have to turn you wheel so far. It's like your arms get in each other's way
or something. But that's probably just me...

Ice D


> Good luck.  It is so difficult to get a wheel set-up and adjusted properly
> in this title without any special requests.

> By the way, if you don't like the larger travel of the wheel, the MOMO
> probably wasn't a good choice.

> Marc.



> > How can I adjust the wheel settings (MOMO) in F1 2001, so the wheel has
a
> > shorter 'travel' from left to right? The 270 degrees are a bit too much
> for
> > me, in this game anyway, so I'd like to trim something of the left and
> right
> > side. But on the dead zone menu for the wheel axis, there don't seem to
be
> > any left/right-t*** sliders. You can only adjust the dead zone in
the
> > middle, unless I'm overlooking something? I've seen this feature in most
> > other driving games. Or is there another kind of setting that I need to
> > adjust, like steering lock, or differential lock (what is that anyway?),
> or
> > wheel sensitivity maybe?

> > It feels ok overall, but in some really tight curves I wish I wouldn't
> have
> > to turn the wheel so far to achieve full left or right. Or it's like I'd
> > expect the car to make tighter turns, when I'm practically steering all
> the
> > way to the right or left. It's hard to explain...

> > Ice D

Haqsa

F1 2001 wheel dead zone

by Haqsa » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:20:05

You can either increase the  X axis sensitivity in the controller menu,
or increase the steering lock angle in the vehicle setup screens.  But
since you said that it is only on tight curves that you have a problem,
what you might want to do is use more speed sensitivity.  Speed
sensitivity reduces the steering sensitivity at high speeds, the higher
you have it set, the more it reduces it.  I think the default was 50%.
Try increasing it until the steering feels too slow at high speeds, and
then increasing the x axis sensitivity until the high speed steering
feels right again.  You should then find that it takes much less
steering angle to get through the tighter turns.

Another possibility though is that you just have too much understeer in
your vehicle setup.  Too much understeer in the suspension will cause
you to need to use an excessive amount of steering angle to get through
a turn at the limit.  This will appear primarily at low speeds, since at
high speeds the handling is more a function of the wing settings.  The
default setups have pretty heavy understeer in order to make it easier
to drive.  You might want to try increasing the size of the rear
anti-roll bar to see if that helps.  If you then find it too loose at
high speeds, you can either increase the rear wing angle or decrease the
front wing angle to make up for it.


Crai

F1 2001 wheel dead zone

by Crai » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:23:16

I'm pretty certain that real F1 cars have 360 degrees of wheel rotation.
I've seen in car shots of drivers arms crossed over when on full lock.
I've allways found the 180 degrees of the LWFF wheel hard to control, I'd
have thought the extra would make control more precise

Craig


> It's not that I don't like the 270 degrees at all, but I seem to be
> struggling with it in F1 2001. It just doesn't feel right in a F1 car, to
> have to turn you wheel so far. It's like your arms get in each other's way
> or something. But that's probably just me...

> Ice D



> > Good luck.  It is so difficult to get a wheel set-up and adjusted
properly
> > in this title without any special requests.

> > By the way, if you don't like the larger travel of the wheel, the MOMO
> > probably wasn't a good choice.

> > Marc.



> > > How can I adjust the wheel settings (MOMO) in F1 2001, so the wheel
has
> a
> > > shorter 'travel' from left to right? The 270 degrees are a bit too
much
> > for
> > > me, in this game anyway, so I'd like to trim something of the left and
> > right
> > > side. But on the dead zone menu for the wheel axis, there don't seem
to
> be
> > > any left/right-t*** sliders. You can only adjust the dead zone in
> the
> > > middle, unless I'm overlooking something? I've seen this feature in
most
> > > other driving games. Or is there another kind of setting that I need
to
> > > adjust, like steering lock, or differential lock (what is that
anyway?),
> > or
> > > wheel sensitivity maybe?

> > > It feels ok overall, but in some really tight curves I wish I wouldn't
> > have
> > > to turn the wheel so far to achieve full left or right. Or it's like
I'd
> > > expect the car to make tighter turns, when I'm practically steering
all
> > the
> > > way to the right or left. It's hard to explain...

> > > Ice D

Ice

F1 2001 wheel dead zone

by Ice » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:21:10


> You can either increase the  X axis sensitivity in the controller menu,
> or increase the steering lock angle in the vehicle setup screens.  But
> since you said that it is only on tight curves that you have a problem,
> what you might want to do is use more speed sensitivity.  Speed
> sensitivity reduces the steering sensitivity at high speeds, the higher
> you have it set, the more it reduces it.  I think the default was 50%.
> Try increasing it until the steering feels too slow at high speeds, and
> then increasing the x axis sensitivity until the high speed steering
> feels right again.  You should then find that it takes much less
> steering angle to get through the tighter turns.

Hey, this makes a lot of sense! I had something like this vaguely in my
mind, but now I have a clear picture.

I tend to stay away from these kind of settings, out of fear (and probably
laziness). I always feel like you when change one thing, you have to change
a whole bunch of other stuff as well, to compensate. But maybe that's just
cause most of the time I don't know what the hell I'm doing :) Anyway, your
post makes a lot of sense, I will be experimenting with it.

Cheers,

Ice D

Haqsa

F1 2001 wheel dead zone

by Haqsa » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:55:28

If you don't want to try your own setups, try Ian Bell's, at
www.simbin.com.

Just had to see if I could sneak that in before Ian did.  ;o)



> > You can either increase the  X axis sensitivity in the controller
menu,
> > or increase the steering lock angle in the vehicle setup screens.
But
> > since you said that it is only on tight curves that you have a
problem,
> > what you might want to do is use more speed sensitivity.  Speed
> > sensitivity reduces the steering sensitivity at high speeds, the
higher
> > you have it set, the more it reduces it.  I think the default was
50%.
> > Try increasing it until the steering feels too slow at high speeds,
and
> > then increasing the x axis sensitivity until the high speed steering
> > feels right again.  You should then find that it takes much less
> > steering angle to get through the tighter turns.

> Hey, this makes a lot of sense! I had something like this vaguely in
my
> mind, but now I have a clear picture.

> > Another possibility though is that you just have too much understeer
in
> > your vehicle setup.  Too much understeer in the suspension will
cause
> > you to need to use an excessive amount of steering angle to get
through
> > a turn at the limit.  This will appear primarily at low speeds,
since at
> > high speeds the handling is more a function of the wing settings.
The
> > default setups have pretty heavy understeer in order to make it
easier
> > to drive.  You might want to try increasing the size of the rear
> > anti-roll bar to see if that helps.  If you then find it too loose
at
> > high speeds, you can either increase the rear wing angle or decrease
the
> > front wing angle to make up for it.

> I tend to stay away from these kind of settings, out of fear (and
probably
> laziness). I always feel like you when change one thing, you have to
change
> a whole bunch of other stuff as well, to compensate. But maybe that's
just
> cause most of the time I don't know what the hell I'm doing :) Anyway,
your
> post makes a lot of sense, I will be experimenting with it.

> Cheers,

> Ice D

Ice

F1 2001 wheel dead zone

by Ice » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:15:45


Thanks, I'll try some of the Williams settings.

Ice D


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