Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I just
want honest opinions.
Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS?
Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have been
since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be
beaten crap.
Honest opinions need apply only... ;0)))
James
I got F1 2001 on Friday and wasn't able to drive it until this afternoon. I
have already put in more laps in it then in GP3 and F1 CS2K combined. For
the first time since GP2 I have a modern F1 sim that I want to put in the
time to learn properly. For some reason it just feels right, even without
FF.
Cheers
Phil Lee
Legends Central Admin
http://www.legendscentral.com
;o)
> ;o)
> > Hi guys..
> > Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I
> just
> > want honest opinions.
> > Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS?
> > Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have
> been
> > since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be
> > beaten crap.
> > Honest opinions need apply only... ;0)))
> > James
>Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I just
>want honest opinions.
>Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS?
>Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have been
>since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be
>beaten crap.
>Honest opinions need apply only... ;0)))
Quick first impressions were great. Before I installed it I allready
read about the problems with various drivers, and about the
run-it-in-a-window-or-use-fraps trick, so when I started it the game
run very smooth. In ever way it's an improvement over f1cs. Better
graphics, better fps, GREAT sound, AI seems to be very good (didn't
test it enough though), variable weather is very good, and I love how
bumpy the tracks are, fasten your seatbelts extra tight when you drive
on Brazil :)
Buuuuut there's one problem. The control of the car didn;t feel right
to me. I had problems with steering, way to much oversteer, so much
that I had to allmost before a corner before I could enter it.
In the corner itself I had to constantly adjust the steering to keep
the line. Braking also wasn't good, one time I braked perfectly before
a corner, on the next lap my brakes hardly seemed to function.
I spend a day on messing with my controller settings.. tried every
possible combination of sensitivity and deadzone settings, but to no
avail. The car remains ***to drive. I also tried settings from other
players who don't have these controller problems, but they also
didn;'t help. For now I gave up and deinstalled F1 2001, it's
completely unplayable for me at this time. Hope someone finds a
solution for this..
Oh, with a couple of guys from VROC we tried multiplayer.
We were with 5 or 6 players. We had a couple of problems.
It happened twice to me that I started at -exact- the same spot as
another player, once in the pitbox, once at the start of a race.
This resulted ofcourse in a major crash (of our cars, not the game).
But worse, and this happend a couple of times to several players:
First lap of the race - I was driving, nothing specaculair going on,
some cars far behind me and some cars in front of me, and suddenly the
cam switched to outside view, a moving tv-cam. I could still control
my car. After a couple of seconds, without warning I was back in the
chatroom. I can't think of any reason why this would happen, so I
think this is a major bug, especially since it happend a couple of
times.
Besides this, the driving was reasonable fine. The cars were all
warping quite a bit, but this could have been because of a bad
connection, allthough the host and most of the players were on a fast
cable connection.
So all in all, it seems that the basis of f1 2001 is a very good sim,
but as long as I can't get the controllers work correct I can't judge
it.. I never liked GP3, untill I got the controller setting correct,
and since then I love it. I hope the same will happen with f1 2001..
Andre
They also seemed to have modeled a dirty track very nicely... At the
beginning of practice, the car is very slippery.. 2 - 3 laps into the run,
you get great grip.. after a pitstop, the grip is mostly good(tire temps)...
Amazing. Can't wait for the FF patch.
> >Hi guys..
> >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I
just
> >want honest opinions.
> >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS?
> >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have
been
> >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be
> >beaten crap.
> >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0)))
> Ok, for a change here's my honest opinion :)
> Quick first impressions were great. Before I installed it I allready
> read about the problems with various drivers, and about the
> run-it-in-a-window-or-use-fraps trick, so when I started it the game
> run very smooth. In ever way it's an improvement over f1cs. Better
> graphics, better fps, GREAT sound, AI seems to be very good (didn't
> test it enough though), variable weather is very good, and I love how
> bumpy the tracks are, fasten your seatbelts extra tight when you drive
> on Brazil :)
> Buuuuut there's one problem. The control of the car didn;t feel right
> to me. I had problems with steering, way to much oversteer, so much
> that I had to allmost before a corner before I could enter it.
> In the corner itself I had to constantly adjust the steering to keep
> the line. Braking also wasn't good, one time I braked perfectly before
> a corner, on the next lap my brakes hardly seemed to function.
> I spend a day on messing with my controller settings.. tried every
> possible combination of sensitivity and deadzone settings, but to no
> avail. The car remains ***to drive. I also tried settings from other
> players who don't have these controller problems, but they also
> didn;'t help. For now I gave up and deinstalled F1 2001, it's
> completely unplayable for me at this time. Hope someone finds a
> solution for this..
> Oh, with a couple of guys from VROC we tried multiplayer.
> We were with 5 or 6 players. We had a couple of problems.
> It happened twice to me that I started at -exact- the same spot as
> another player, once in the pitbox, once at the start of a race.
> This resulted ofcourse in a major crash (of our cars, not the game).
> But worse, and this happend a couple of times to several players:
> First lap of the race - I was driving, nothing specaculair going on,
> some cars far behind me and some cars in front of me, and suddenly the
> cam switched to outside view, a moving tv-cam. I could still control
> my car. After a couple of seconds, without warning I was back in the
> chatroom. I can't think of any reason why this would happen, so I
> think this is a major bug, especially since it happend a couple of
> times.
> Besides this, the driving was reasonable fine. The cars were all
> warping quite a bit, but this could have been because of a bad
> connection, allthough the host and most of the players were on a fast
> cable connection.
> So all in all, it seems that the basis of f1 2001 is a very good sim,
> but as long as I can't get the controllers work correct I can't judge
> it.. I never liked GP3, untill I got the controller setting correct,
> and since then I love it. I hope the same will happen with f1 2001..
> Andre
> >James
> >Hi guys..
> >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I
just
> >want honest opinions.
> >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS?
> >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL
(have been
> >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never
be
> >beaten crap.
> >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0)))
> Ok, for a change here's my honest opinion :)
> Quick first impressions were great. Before I installed it I allready
> read about the problems with various drivers, and about the
> run-it-in-a-window-or-use-fraps trick, so when I started it the game
> run very smooth. In ever way it's an improvement over f1cs. Better
> graphics, better fps, GREAT sound, AI seems to be very good (didn't
> test it enough though), variable weather is very good, and I love how
> bumpy the tracks are, fasten your seatbelts extra tight when you drive
> on Brazil :)
> Buuuuut there's one problem. The control of the car didn;t feel right
> to me. I had problems with steering, way to much oversteer, so much
> that I had to allmost before a corner before I could enter it.
> In the corner itself I had to constantly adjust the steering to keep
> the line. Braking also wasn't good, one time I braked perfectly before
> a corner, on the next lap my brakes hardly seemed to function.
> I spend a day on messing with my controller settings.. tried every
> possible combination of sensitivity and deadzone settings, but to no
> avail. The car remains ***to drive. I also tried settings from other
> players who don't have these controller problems, but they also
> didn;'t help. For now I gave up and deinstalled F1 2001, it's
> completely unplayable for me at this time. Hope someone finds a
> solution for this..
> Oh, with a couple of guys from VROC we tried multiplayer.
> We were with 5 or 6 players. We had a couple of problems.
> It happened twice to me that I started at -exact- the same spot as
> another player, once in the pitbox, once at the start of a race.
> This resulted ofcourse in a major crash (of our cars, not the game).
> But worse, and this happend a couple of times to several players:
> First lap of the race - I was driving, nothing specaculair going on,
> some cars far behind me and some cars in front of me, and suddenly the
> cam switched to outside view, a moving tv-cam. I could still control
> my car. After a couple of seconds, without warning I was back in the
> chatroom. I can't think of any reason why this would happen, so I
> think this is a major bug, especially since it happend a couple of
> times.
> Besides this, the driving was reasonable fine. The cars were all
> warping quite a bit, but this could have been because of a bad
> connection, allthough the host and most of the players were on a fast
> cable connection.
> So all in all, it seems that the basis of f1 2001 is a very good sim,
> but as long as I can't get the controllers work correct I can't judge
> it.. I never liked GP3, untill I got the controller setting correct,
> and since then I love it. I hope the same will happen with f1 2001..
> Andre
> >James
> >Hi guys..
> >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I
just
> >want honest opinions.
> >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS?
> >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have
been
> >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be
> >beaten crap.
> >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0)))
> >James
> Here's my opinion and it may not be shared by others.
> But, you asked, right?
> I think F1-2001 is a piece of crap.
> I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an
> effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds.
> My system is pretty much a dedicated *** system:
> It is a PIII-1000, GeForce 2 Ultra, 384mb, DX8,
> 12.41 Detonator drivers, SB Live. I use Win98SE.
> F1-2001 is installed on a clean partition with nothing else.
> I have a fixed length swapfile of 800mb on a separate
> drive. I use either a TSW wheel or an Act Labs Force RS.
> Both of my drives are fully defragmented. TONS of
> sims/games are installed and run flawlessly.
> I won't accept a game or sim that pauses like F1-2001.
> I have reduced the sim's detail/sound to minimum levels
> and reduced the resolution to 800x600. I use no FSAA.
> Same thing.
> A reinstallation of DX8, video (12.41) and audio drivers
> (downloaded from creaf.com 2 days ago) had no effect.
> I have haunted newsgroup/web boards and tried MANY
> things to prevent the irritating pauses.
> I will return it tomorrow and buy both F1-2001 and Sony's
> Formula One 2001 for my PS2. I will probably return one
> of them based on which is the more deserving of return.. :)
> All I can say in a positive way about F1-2001 for the PC is
> that Electronics Boutique is a great store. :)
> For those who have had good luck with it, good for you.
> For me it will be only a bad memory by mid-afternoon.
> ..next?
[snip]
This is a widely report problem with the game and nvidia
drivers. Some people have had success with the 6.50s but
I foind T&L corruption with these.
However what I and other have done is the following:
- set you desktop to the same resolution and colour
depth you want to run the game in.
- Configure the game's resolution.
- Quit the game and then edit the F1 2001 config file and
set the IsWindowed setting to 1. ie enabled.
This will launch the game in a window but at the cost of
a minor border you will get faaast framerates, fully
functional mirros and cars in mirrors.
Sure, it's annoying but it runs very well and should tide
me over until the inevitable patch.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Dave
Sorted a lot of peoples problems.
Regards Mike
>>Hi guys..
>>Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I just
>>want honest opinions.
>>Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS?
>>Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have been
>>since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be
>>beaten crap.
>>Honest opinions need apply only... ;0)))
>>James
>Here's my opinion and it may not be shared by others.
>But, you asked, right?
>I think F1-2001 is a piece of crap.
>I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an
>effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds.
>My system is pretty much a dedicated *** system:
>It is a PIII-1000, GeForce 2 Ultra, 384mb, DX8,
>12.41 Detonator drivers, SB Live. I use Win98SE.
>F1-2001 is installed on a clean partition with nothing else.
>I have a fixed length swapfile of 800mb on a separate
>drive. I use either a TSW wheel or an Act Labs Force RS.
>Both of my drives are fully defragmented. TONS of
>sims/games are installed and run flawlessly.
>I won't accept a game or sim that pauses like F1-2001.
>I have reduced the sim's detail/sound to minimum levels
>and reduced the resolution to 800x600. I use no FSAA.
>Same thing.
>A reinstallation of DX8, video (12.41) and audio drivers
>(downloaded from creaf.com 2 days ago) had no effect.
>I have haunted newsgroup/web boards and tried MANY
>things to prevent the irritating pauses.
>I will return it tomorrow and buy both F1-2001 and Sony's
>Formula One 2001 for my PS2. I will probably return one
>of them based on which is the more deserving of return.. :)
>All I can say in a positive way about F1-2001 for the PC is
>that Electronics Boutique is a great store. :)
>For those who have had good luck with it, good for you.
>For me it will be only a bad memory by mid-afternoon.
>..next?
Ash
| > Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS?
|
|
| I got F1 2001 on Friday and wasn't able to drive it until this afternoon.
I
| have already put in more laps in it then in GP3 and F1 CS2K combined. For
| the first time since GP2 I have a modern F1 sim that I want to put in the
| time to learn properly. For some reason it just feels right, even without
| FF.
|
| Cheers
|
| Phil Lee
|
| Legends Central Admin
| http://www.legendscentral.com
|
|
Frankly, in my honest opinion, they should have warned about not supporting
some Voodoo based cards up front. I'm pretty cheesed off about this.
In another of my honest opinions the "GPL will never be beaten crap" only
exists in the mind of some RAS beholders. Personally, I can't remember
having seen such a claim being made in earnest. What I have seen a lot of is
people lamenting about yet another promising sim failing to beat GPL on all
counts and about, worse still, developers deliberately aiming under the mark
when developing a new sim.
Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.
Todd
> >Hi guys..
> >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I
just
> >want honest opinions.
> >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS?
> >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have
been
> >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be
> >beaten crap.
> >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0)))
> >James
> Here's my opinion and it may not be shared by others.
> But, you asked, right?
> I think F1-2001 is a piece of crap.
> I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an
> effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds.
> My system is pretty much a dedicated *** system:
> It is a PIII-1000, GeForce 2 Ultra, 384mb, DX8,
> 12.41 Detonator drivers, SB Live. I use Win98SE.
> F1-2001 is installed on a clean partition with nothing else.
> I have a fixed length swapfile of 800mb on a separate
> drive. I use either a TSW wheel or an Act Labs Force RS.
> Both of my drives are fully defragmented. TONS of
> sims/games are installed and run flawlessly.
> I won't accept a game or sim that pauses like F1-2001.
> I have reduced the sim's detail/sound to minimum levels
> and reduced the resolution to 800x600. I use no FSAA.
> Same thing.
> A reinstallation of DX8, video (12.41) and audio drivers
> (downloaded from creaf.com 2 days ago) had no effect.
> I have haunted newsgroup/web boards and tried MANY
> things to prevent the irritating pauses.
> I will return it tomorrow and buy both F1-2001 and Sony's
> Formula One 2001 for my PS2. I will probably return one
> of them based on which is the more deserving of return.. :)
> All I can say in a positive way about F1-2001 for the PC is
> that Electronics Boutique is a great store. :)
> For those who have had good luck with it, good for you.
> For me it will be only a bad memory by mid-afternoon.
> ..next?
-- JB
>> I don't know if this applies, but I had similar experiences with F1cs. I
>>'fixed' it by NOT overclocking. I had my Piii500 overclocked to 549 or
>>something close by using SoftFsb. The menu's even had hesitations.
>>Everytime my mouse would move over a menu item, it would stutter and echo.
>>During a race the stutters would get worse and worse, even with all detail
>>off and screen rez reduced.
>> I don't remember why I tried with reducing the overclocking, probably
>>testing the pedal fix from Microsoft for dx8a, but I did and the stutter
>>disappeared. I can go up to 515mhz but the next step up brought on the
>>stutters. Unfortunately, I don't know if it was just the chip speed
>>difference or the reduction of the agp multiplyer that cured the
>>stutters..But it was sound related combined with overclocking.
>>dave henrie
>Hi Dave. I appreciate the suggestions, but I'm not overclocking anything.
>Not the processor and not my video card.
>I thought right off that it was a soundcard driver problem, but installing
>the latest drivers from Creative didn't have any effect.
>I've just gotten tired of it. I've exhausted my knowledge and
>the only thing left is possibly to format c: and start over, but I'm
>not going to do that. By the way, there are no background tasks
>other than systray and explorer and my processor is showing
>about 90-92% prior to launching F1-2001.
>.
>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard"
>>> >Hi guys..
>>> >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I
>>just
>>> >want honest opinions.
>>> >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS?
>>> >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have
>>been
>>> >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be
>>> >beaten crap.
>>> >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0)))
>>> >James
>>> Here's my opinion and it may not be shared by others.
>>> But, you asked, right?
>>> I think F1-2001 is a piece of crap.
>>> I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an
>>> effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds.
>>> My system is pretty much a dedicated *** system:
>>> It is a PIII-1000, GeForce 2 Ultra, 384mb, DX8,
>>> 12.41 Detonator drivers, SB Live. I use Win98SE.
>>> F1-2001 is installed on a clean partition with nothing else.
>>> I have a fixed length swapfile of 800mb on a separate
>>> drive. I use either a TSW wheel or an Act Labs Force RS.
>>> Both of my drives are fully defragmented. TONS of
>>> sims/games are installed and run flawlessly.
>>> I won't accept a game or sim that pauses like F1-2001.
>>> I have reduced the sim's detail/sound to minimum levels
>>> and reduced the resolution to 800x600. I use no FSAA.
>>> Same thing.
>>> A reinstallation of DX8, video (12.41) and audio drivers
>>> (downloaded from creaf.com 2 days ago) had no effect.
>>> I have haunted newsgroup/web boards and tried MANY
>>> things to prevent the irritating pauses.
>>> I will return it tomorrow and buy both F1-2001 and Sony's
>>> Formula One 2001 for my PS2. I will probably return one
>>> of them based on which is the more deserving of return.. :)
>>> All I can say in a positive way about F1-2001 for the PC is
>>> that Electronics Boutique is a great store. :)
>>> For those who have had good luck with it, good for you.
>>> For me it will be only a bad memory by mid-afternoon.
>>> ..next?
