rec.autos.simulators

    To all who complain about GT graphics,

                                                                Have you
actually played the game?? How, if you are in anyway sane, can you think that
NFS3 (or any car sim before it) is better than GT. It is the model on which
every other car sim in the future will (should!) be based. The cars drive like
cars, the tracks are like real tracks, there are fairly accurate reproductions
of each cars exhaust note, there's real world physics, there's real-world
modifications that do have the right impact on how the car drives (although
sometimes slightly exagerrated).
    The playstation has very limited processing capability, and I'm very happy
that GT uses most of it doing these things above, rather than pretty (but
boring, repeditive (NFS3)) graphics. The car detail on GT absolutely kills NFS3
anyhow, and that's more important to me than seeing induvidual people in the
crowd, beatiful backdrops of snow-topped mountains, or absolutly perfect
textures.
    By the way, I'm playing the PAL version, which I'm told has a 20% higher
frame-rate than NTSC, so that may be why I find the graphics to be more than
enough.
    Anyhow, I'm to busy racing to worry about little polygons not looking right
in the background...

Well, there ARE steering wheels and analog joysticks that you can
buy.........

The digital gamepad is supported in GT, but its far from the ideal
controller.  The game was ideally suited for analog controllers, and there
analog wheel/pedal combinations as well as dual analog pads for the
Playstation.

Its too bad you chose to rip a game on such a faulty premise, but its your
loss.

Randy

There is probably a better range of analog controllers for the
Playstation than there is for the PC. (Although the PC probably has a
better selection of good steering wheels.)

As well as steering wheels and joysticks, there's also the analog
dual-shock controller (force feedback) and the Namco Negcon.

Have you ever seen a NegCon? Fascinating device and, to my mind,
better than a steering wheel for driving games. The controller is
split in the middle and you twist it left and right. The more you
twist, the greater the turn. Awesome idea and doesn't require the desk
space of a steering wheel.

--
Thomas Beagle   '91 Eunos Roadster Limited, '89 Honda CBR250R
Sapphire Technology Ltd

On Mon, 18 May 1998 13:24:05 -0700, "Randy Magruder"

I hardly consider my comments as "ripping it", and I've never wasted
much time on any racing sim using a keyboard, so implying the fine
sims you mentioned get tossed because you can control them with the
keyboard because I had a negative comment about this game is fairly
ignorant. It's probably a good game assuming you can use a wheel.
Anyway, it's hard enough to convince my better half to blow more $$$
on "another game" not to mention another "wheel":)

Rick

And he has a rather poor imagination if he can't fathom a driving sim
with a digital controller.  Sure, I like using the wheel and pedals,
but sometimes I don't want to haul all that hardware out.  GP2 is
fine with a keyboard.  GT and NFS3 are also very enjoyable with
a pad, and one still has the feeling of making small corrections
to the input, especially adding opposite lock.  Sure, it's not as
precise, but all the other joys of driving are there (hitting the
proper line, overtaking, botching  corner and bouncing across the
curbs).  

: Well, there ARE steering wheels and analog joysticks that you can
: buy.........
:
:
:
: > Sorry, it's just too hard to fathom a  racing game where a game pad
: > is the controller, it just doesn't cut it.
: >
: > Regards,
: >
: > Rick Carlson
: >
: > On Sun, 17 May 1998 16:46:18 -0400, Patrick Shumar
: >

: > >
: > >> My review of the U.S. version of Sony's Gran Turismo sports car
: > >> simulation  is at Digital Sportspage:
: > >>
: > >> http://www.digitalsports.com/ps2/granturismo/review.html
: > >>
: > >> Note:  Even though this is a Playstation game, I recommend that PC sim
: > >>
: > >> fans read this review.  You will be surprised (and jealous).
: > >
: > >   I got the game on Saturday and it kicks ass.  The only part I hate is
: > >the damn racing license test:-)
:
:
:

Basically consisting of game pads.

Ever heard of TSW, ECCI, Thrustmaster, CH etc?

I'd like to see one that is realistic and last more than a month under
heavy use.

Gee, I dunno, seems like having this round thing that looks like a
steering wheel and this shift stick-type thingy for my hands and these
rectangular thingys by my feet provides a kinda realistic driving-like
feel.

Do you drive a car with a NegCon type device? I'm sure it might be OK
for driving GAMES, if you like it fine, that's great, but I guess
being a sort of racing SIMULATION fan, I'll stick with my TSW wheel.

Lighten up!

Rick

Note:  "the controller", not "a controller".  you made it sound like
you believed that THE controller for GT was a digital pad, and made it
sound like somehow the racing game was deficient as a result ("doesn't
cut it").  Perhaps your use of the english language is the problem
here, as you gave me and everyone else here the impression that you
didn't know that analog controllers are plentiful for the Playstation,
and truly the best way to drive GT.

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

Gee, I never realized PlayStation owners were so sensitive! If you
like simulation driving by pushing buttons fine, what's up to you. My
contention is that if you want to SIMULATE driving, my personal
snotty, self proclaimed PC sim lovin' *** choice is a wheel. I
think most people interested in hard core racing simulations aren't
cramping their hands in a 200-500 mile race with a gamepad or
keyboard. Something about carpal tunnel syndrome doesn't thrill me.

Have a good one!

Rick

: Gee, I never realized PlayStation owners were so sensitive! If you
: like simulation driving by pushing buttons fine, what's up to you. My
: contention is that if you want to SIMULATE driving, my personal
: snotty, self proclaimed PC sim lovin' *** choice is a wheel. I
: think most people interested in hard core racing simulations aren't
: cramping their hands in a 200-500 mile race with a gamepad or
: keyboard. Something about carpal tunnel syndrome doesn't thrill me.
: Have a good one!
: Rick

I never realized that some PC advocating idiots can't figure out that the
playstation _HAS_ analog steering wheels, along with pedals.

But then again, you probably cannot figure out the previous sentence.

Alex Carlton
Chief of Security
Advocates International
"Blowin' up your spot like Tim McVeigh"
(c)1998, Advocates International
All Rights Reversed.

Gosh Randy, do you think and speak for everyone else here? I didn't
realize you had that effect on people. Perhaps you'd be a smashing
success as a politician!

I'm sorry if I offended you by "bashing" your precious game.
Personally, I don't find the arcade view or "I am frying my ass off on
pavement because there's no car around me" view REALISTIC. I admit I
have not tried a playstation with an analog controller as the ones I
tried in the stores are cheesy toys. I am content with my PC racing
sims, and canned the playstation long ago as the only available racing
games were dull ***which could be mastered in a half hour, no matter
how pretty they were.

Hell, maybe they'll port it to PC with a real***pit view and gauges
and we'll both be happy!

Regards,

Rick
Rick Carlson
Self proclaimed PC Sim *** and PlayStation deserter.

: pavement because there's no car around me" view REALISTIC. I admit I
: have not tried a playstation with an analog controller as the ones I
: tried in the stores are cheesy toys. I am content with my PC racing
: sims, and canned the playstation long ago as the only available racing
: games were dull ***which could be mastered in a half hour, no matter
: how pretty they were.

Translation:  I won't like, I won't try it, even if I try it, I won't like
it because of reason #1, I won't like it.

Richard, you are a shame to the PC Racing Fan community.  You mother uses
Tandy, and your father is her brother.

: Hell, maybe they'll port it to PC with a real***pit view and gauges
: and we'll both be happy!

Translation:  If it's on a PC, I will like it, because it is on a PC,
which is better because I will like it.

Richard, you are a shame to the human race, and a good example of why
cross-breeding with sheep is a bad idea.  You're lucky that I'm an
open-minded individual, and won't prejudge you because your parents came
from the same flock.

Everyone else:  This is kinda fun, although insulting the mentally
challenged always seems to be, especially when they try to front as a
intellectual/*** racing fan.  What a joke.

Alex Carlton
Chief of Security
Advocates International
"Blowin' up your spot like Tim McVeigh"
(c)1998, Advocates International
All Rights Reversed.

Richard Carlson yammered...  

Ta-da!  Buy any of the 3 or 4 steering wheels avaiable for for the
Playstation-- they even have pedals!

You originally made it sound as if you didn't know such things existed,
and now you do!  People are always sensitive when you slam them for
something which isn't true.

--
 -Ken
Magic 8-Ball sez: Yes definitely

Richard Carlson yammered...  

Summary:

"Hey, your taste sucks!  Lighten up!"

My question to you-- why so uptight about non-PC racers?

--
 -Ken
Magic 8-Ball sez: You may rely on it