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by **Nats** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 04:30:03

Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving
around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1
over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of
racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what
I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
repetitive.

Nats

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by **Ric Seyle** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 04:38:38

>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving
>around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1
>over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of
>racing for more than a few minutes.

>Theres just no strategy at all from what
>I can see!

Well then you don't understand racing in general...........

>It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
>mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
>repetitive.

>Nats

>--
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by ae » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 04:39:51

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:30:03 +0100, "Nats"

>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving
>around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1
>over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of
>racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what
>I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
>mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
>repetitive.

I bought the PC game Nascar Racing 2003 Season a couple of weeks ago,
despite knowing nothing about Nascar previously. That game, apart from
being great fun to play, gives you a very real appreciation of the
sport. I have watched it subsequently on TV a couple of times, and I
agree its not the pinnacle of motor sport to watch, but there is
definitely a lot of strategy involved. You also get a lot more
overtaking than F1.

Andrew,

by **Eldre** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 04:44:31

>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving
>around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1
>over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of
>racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what
>I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
>mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
>repetitive.

Some of us *enjoy* NASCAR(and other oval) racing. Different race series,
different options, different choices. That's what makes it fun... Glad you
have something *you* can enjoy watching.

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by **Scott B. Husted** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 04:51:27

It's two concepts called "racing" and "passing", The F1 Parades don't offer
those two items.

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> Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -
driving
> around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1
> over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of
> racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from
what
> I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
> mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
> repetitive.

> Nats

> --
> Nigel 'Nats' Stutt

> "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it."

> Remove NOSPAM to respond please.

by **Nats** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 04:56:08

Hmm I disagree, obviously. I see plenty of passing in Formula 1. Plus theres
always the first few corners of carnage. Then theres all the pit strategy.
And the impact of the weather and in particular wet tracks. Also different
tracks have different strategies and heat/cold conditions. Also tricky
corners and fast areas. Hard breaking. Also mechnical failures. And the
spinning off, high speed crashes, neat cars, interesting tracks. Its just a
shame they got rid of the best track - the original Hockenheim. More tracks
like those would be great. But perhaps Bahrain and China will help spice
things up a little.

I admit Formula 1 can sometimes be boring as well when Schmumi gets out in
front and theres no stopping him. But hey its definitely better and more
entertaining than watching cars racing around the same oval track week after
week. Are all the American tracks the same - ie oval? If so whats the point
in going to other tracks? You might as well stay on the same one.

Im sure theres maybe more in it than I am giving credit to, but I have
difficulty seeing it myself. At least with greyhounds the races are short!
--
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> It's two concepts called "racing" and "passing", The F1 Parades don't
offer
> those two items.

> --
> Scott B. Husted
> ICQ# 439540
> http://www.Husted.cc
> "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one
> behind me."
> - General George S. Patton

> > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -
> driving
> > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula
1
> > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of
> > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from
> what
> > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
> > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
> > repetitive.

> > Nats

> > --
> > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt

> > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it."

> > Remove NOSPAM to respond please.

by **Biz** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 04:58:25

You're completely entitled to your opinion, but the EXACT same argument can be made like this
against F1.

Observe........

> Just watched my first ever F1 race last night and god was it boring - driving
> around the same track time after time. Im sure glad we have other forms of racing
> over here (US). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of
> racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what
> I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
> mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
> repetitive.

> Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving
> around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1
> over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of
> racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what
> I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
> mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
> repetitive.

> Nats

> --
> Nigel 'Nats' Stutt

> "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it."

> Remove NOSPAM to respond please.

by **Ric Seyle** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 05:03:43

>Hmm I disagree, obviously. I see plenty of passing in Formula 1. Plus theres
>always the first few corners of carnage. Then theres all the pit strategy.
>And the impact of the weather and in particular wet tracks. Also different
>tracks have different strategies and heat/cold conditions. Also tricky
>corners and fast areas. Hard breaking. Also mechnical failures. And the
>spinning off, high speed crashes, neat cars, interesting tracks. Its just a
>shame they got rid of the best track - the original Hockenheim. More tracks
>like those would be great. But perhaps Bahrain and China will help spice
>things up a little.

>I admit Formula 1 can sometimes be boring as well when Schmumi gets out in
>front and theres no stopping him. But hey its definitely better and more
>entertaining than watching cars racing around the same oval track week after
>week.

>Are all the American tracks the same - ie oval? If so whats the point
>in going to other tracks? You might as well stay on the same one.

Again you aparently only have a passing knowledge of racing.......
Every track is different. Even tracks with the same basic shape and length
are different and require different setups, different stratigty, and
different strong
points. This is true for any type of racing with similar tracks.
American or European.
Thus my opinion of your knowledge of racing.........

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>Im sure theres maybe more in it than I am giving credit to, but I have
>difficulty seeing it myself. At least with greyhounds the races are short!
>--
>Nigel 'Nats' Stutt

>"Its life, Jim, but not as we know it."

>Remove NOSPAM to respond please.

>>It's two concepts called "racing" and "passing", The F1 Parades don't

>offer

>>those two items.

>>--
>>Scott B. Husted
>>ICQ# 439540
>>http://www.Husted.cc
>>"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one
>>behind me."
>>- General George S. Patton

>>>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -

>>driving

>>>around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula

>1

>>>over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of
>>>racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from

>>what

>>>I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
>>>mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
>>>repetitive.

>>>Nats

>>>--
>>>Nigel 'Nats' Stutt

>>>"Its life, Jim, but not as we know it."

>>>Remove NOSPAM to respond please.

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by **Pete** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 04:51:03

The old adage immediately comes to mind.

"Until you have walked a mile in my shoes."

Pete

> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:30:03 +0100, "Nats"

> >Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -
driving
> >around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula
1
> >over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of
> >racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from
what
> >I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
> >mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
> >repetitive.

> I bought the PC game Nascar Racing 2003 Season a couple of weeks ago,
> despite knowing nothing about Nascar previously. That game, apart from
> being great fun to play, gives you a very real appreciation of the
> sport. I have watched it subsequently on TV a couple of times, and I
> agree its not the pinnacle of motor sport to watch, but there is
> definitely a lot of strategy involved. You also get a lot more
> overtaking than F1.

> Andrew,

by **John Simmon** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 05:10:21

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by **Tony Rickar** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 05:12:28

> Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -
driving
> around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula
1
> over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of
> racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from
what
> I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
> mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
> repetitive.

I am not a fan of oval racing and Nascar in particular, but to say it lacks
strategy is giving it a complete disservice. In fact that is why I don't
really like it - I prefer an out and out sprint from green flag to
chequered. Plus these guys are driving on the edge at very high speeds -
but it just doesn't look as spectacular as low speed tail out stuff around
slow corners and braking from 180 to 50 in other series.

In true American style the rules are damned complex compared to most
European series.

Because of the garish colours and Days of Thunder presentation it appears
very brutish and raw. Yet it is far more subtle and a thinking driver and
crew can outperform faster combinations on their day which adds to the
appeal. A pass can take laps to pull off, running side by side. Fascinating
for some whilst I prefer to watch a BTCC out braking manouvre :)

Cheers
Tony

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by **Tony Rickar** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 05:14:13

> > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -
driving
> > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have
Formula 1
> > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind
of
> > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from
what
> > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
> > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
> > repetitive.
> Go here:

> http://www.paddedwall.org/help

Diplomatic as ever John :)

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by **Gerry Aitke** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 05:25:19

<SNIP>

Maybe, just maybe, that first race you popped your Nascar cherry on was
a boring one?

As for F1! I've had some of the deepest sleep I've ever known in between
the the first lap and the last!

> Are all the American tracks the same - ie oval?

No, dear boy, no. <SIGH>

Gerry

by **Pete** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 05:10:14

Like anything else in life, if you have a lack of knowledge and or
understanding of any subject matter you will find it boring.
Once you have attained said knowledge you still may not enjoy or like
it but at least you will be able appreciate what is involved.

Pete

> Hmm I disagree, obviously. I see plenty of passing in Formula 1. Plus
theres
> always the first few corners of carnage. Then theres all the pit strategy.
> And the impact of the weather and in particular wet tracks. Also different
> tracks have different strategies and heat/cold conditions. Also tricky
> corners and fast areas. Hard breaking. Also mechnical failures. And the
> spinning off, high speed crashes, neat cars, interesting tracks. Its just
a
> shame they got rid of the best track - the original Hockenheim. More
tracks
> like those would be great. But perhaps Bahrain and China will help spice
> things up a little.

> I admit Formula 1 can sometimes be boring as well when Schmumi gets out in
> front and theres no stopping him. But hey its definitely better and more
> entertaining than watching cars racing around the same oval track week
after
> week. Are all the American tracks the same - ie oval? If so whats the
point
> in going to other tracks? You might as well stay on the same one.

> Im sure theres maybe more in it than I am giving credit to, but I have
> difficulty seeing it myself. At least with greyhounds the races are short!
> --
> Nigel 'Nats' Stutt

by **Gerry Aitke** » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 05:26:29

>>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving
>>around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1
>>over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of
>>racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what
>>I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first
>>mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably
>>repetitive.

> Go here:

> http://www.paddedwall.org/help

Feeling better, John? ;)

Gerry

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