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Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

LL Poo

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by LL Poo » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:28:39

I feel like smashing my controller, I am not good at this game.  My
problem is I want to go too damn fast around corners :)
How fast should I go around medium left, fast right corners?  Anyway its
kind of hard looking at the speed and watching the road because its so
far to the right.  Also how can I bind a key on my controler to the
enter key so I don't have to use enter for the stupid menu that I have
to keep clicking through to restart a lesson?  Right now I'm trying to
pass the final advanced rally school and I can get 94s best.
mjones5

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by mjones5 » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:31:32

just keep practicing you will get, I also thought I never would but at some
point it will all come together.


LL Poo

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by LL Poo » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:57:21


> just keep practicing you will get, I also thought I never would but at some
> point it will all come together.


>>I feel like smashing my controller, I am not good at this game.  My problem
>>is I want to go too damn fast around corners :)
>>How fast should I go around medium left, fast right corners?  Anyway its
>>kind of hard looking at the speed and watching the road because its so far
>>to the right.  Also how can I bind a key on my controler to the enter key
>>so I don't have to use enter for the stupid menu that I have to keep
>>clicking through to restart a lesson?  Right now I'm trying to pass the
>>final advanced rally school and I can get 94s best.

Would a steering wheel make it easier?  I'm using the analog sticks for
turning and acclerating
bob

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by bob » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:10:11




> > just keep practicing you will get, I also thought I never would but at
some
> > point it will all come together.


> >>I feel like smashing my controller, I am not good at this game.  My
problem
> >>is I want to go too damn fast around corners :)
> >>How fast should I go around medium left, fast right corners?  Anyway its
> >>kind of hard looking at the speed and watching the road because its so
far
> >>to the right.  Also how can I bind a key on my controler to the enter
key
> >>so I don't have to use enter for the stupid menu that I have to keep
> >>clicking through to restart a lesson?  Right now I'm trying to pass the
> >>final advanced rally school and I can get 94s best.

> Would a steering wheel make it easier?  I'm using the analog sticks for
> turning and acclerating

Dont waste your time looking at the speed, stay focused on the road ahead.
This goes for any racing game. In Nascar for example I always turn off the
speedometer.
Jan Verschuere

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by Jan Verschuere » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:17:02


> I feel like smashing my controller, I am not good at this game.  My
> problem is I want to go too damn fast around corners :)

Rallying, by and large, is a traction and accelleration game. Slow
sufficiently, turn in early and power through/out of the turns. When it's
slippery (or on snow), turn in too much and avoid cutting accros the apex by
applying power (thus avoiding conveniently placed tree ;-)).

Though I would like to have the Hud on the left as well (so as to easier
read the rev counter), try and avoid looking at the speedometer. Speed is
just a number, it serves no usefull purpose in controlling a car *at speed*.
Actual speeds through a given severity of corner vary too much depending on
the conditions, the width and layout of the corner itself and whether or not
it's preceded or followed by another turn of a given severity and direction,
in order to give you a set guideline.
Instead, rely on you sense of speed and try to feel what the car is doing.
It's a bit of a leap of faith, but it works a treat (and will stand you in
good stead in other sims as well).

You can however, in a car with a 6-speed gearbox, use the notes as a guide
to gear selection. Hairpin= 1st gear, 90= 1st or 2nd gear, K= 2nd gear,
medium= 2nd or 3rd gear (mostly 3rd), fast=4th gear, easy=5th gear and flat
is flat in whatever gear you happen to be in.

No idea, sorry.

The Rally School benchmark is quite tough to beat, you really need to run
aggressively, yet clean to beat it.

I'd say leave it be for the time being and do a season on the Rookie setting
first (turn damage to moderate at most). Using the guidelines I mentioned
above you should easily win the Rallies if you manage to stay focussed and
don't make too many duff tyre choices, thus unlocking all the stages and all
cars but for the 2000 Scooby and the MG.

Then go back to the Rally School stage (in quick Rally mode) and work up to
the limit with the Toyota or Mitsubishi instead of finding out the hard way
you're going too quickly all the time. Once you're in the 1m24s range with
those, you should be able to squeeze the school Scooby under the benchmark.
Good luck.

Jan.
=---

Jan Verschuere

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by Jan Verschuere » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:21:29


>>> <snip>

> Would a steering wheel make it easier?  I'm using the analog sticks
> for turning and acclerating

A steering wheel/pedal combo does make driving sim easier and more fun to
play. That said, if RBR is your first sim, it will still be an uphill
struggle. You might want to persevere a bit and see if you really enjoy
racing sims before making a purchase like that.

Jan.
=---

Destro

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by Destro » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:56:45

Most important in sim is to have whatever controller you are using setup
properly so YOU have control of the car how you'd like.

That being said practice.

Also, I used my gamepad analog sticks for several days and just couldn't
hack it. Got a Formula Force FF from a friend and WOW, the fun increased
2 fold!!!!  Dropped many stage times by 15 seconds right off the bat.
Your mileage may vary of course.


> I feel like smashing my controller, I am not good at this game.  My
> problem is I want to go too damn fast around corners :)
> How fast should I go around medium left, fast right corners?  Anyway its
> kind of hard looking at the speed and watching the road because its so
> far to the right.  Also how can I bind a key on my controler to the
> enter key so I don't have to use enter for the stupid menu that I have
> to keep clicking through to restart a lesson?  Right now I'm trying to
> pass the final advanced rally school and I can get 94s best.

Kendt Eklu

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by Kendt Eklu » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:47:11


Go to bhmotorsports.com and get the RBR mod collection v2.0 - then
activate Kai's***pit - it moves the HUD to the steering wheel so its
more like a proper dash.  You might also want to try one of the
numeric pacenotes mods - I changed and its alot more natural.

If you're stymied on the Rally School, set it aside and go play around
on the stages for a bit.  A run through Frazier Wells in the USA rally
really clears out the cobwebs ;).

HTH,
Kendt

Swerv

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by Swerv » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:22:08


> Dont waste your time looking at the speed, stay focused on the road
> ahead. This goes for any racing game. In Nascar for example I always
> turn off the speedometer.

While I agree with this, I think even more important is make sure you're
using a manual transmission.   You can then judge your speed by the
engine note and what gear you're in, you don't have to look at the
speedo.   For that run, I usually do 4th gear for the fast corners, 3rd
for the mediums, and then just give it a little throttle-off flick for
the really fast corners.

Finally, for the creek-crossings, I usually do about 1/3rd brake to near
full throttle to keep the car settled.   Just that, and then making sure
you nail the apexes, should take you through easily.

Jone Tytlandsvi

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by Jone Tytlandsvi » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:06:36


> Dont waste your time looking at the speed, stay focused on the road
> ahead. This goes for any racing game. In Nascar for example I always
> turn off the speedometer.

Do you also remove that cone you mentioned?

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ymenar

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by ymenar » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:05:48


> Would a steering wheel make it easier?  I'm using the analog sticks for
> turning and acclerating

Would you drive your own personal car using an analog stick for turning and
accelerating?  That answers your question <G>

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Ice

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by Ice » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:29:36


> Go to bhmotorsports.com and get the RBR mod collection v2.0 - then
> activate Kai's***pit - it moves the HUD to the steering wheel so its
> more like a proper dash.  You might also want to try one of the
> numeric pacenotes mods - I changed and its alot more natural.

Agreed, I'm also using the Numeric Pacenotes mod v1.02 (I chose
'decreasing'), found here:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Just backup the 'audio.dat', and make sure you've unchecked 'Read Only' or
it won't work. Give it a try, if you don't like it, simply put back the old
'audio.dat'. IMO numeric pacenotes are less distracting, and the numbers
more or less correspond with the required gears.

Ice D

Mar

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by Mar » Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:33:03


I'm no expert - my best on that final stage is 80.9 - under a second
to find for that last gold star...

My tip, tho, is to pass all your basic tests then watch the "passenger
ride" which is RB doing the same course.  It'll give you some
pointers.

Speed around corners?  Dunno, but I have a favourite gear for the
different corners:
Medium: usually 2nd, sometimes 3rd.
Fast: usually 3rd, sometimes 4th.
Easy: 4th
Flat: Fast as I think I can manage - be more concerned about what is
coming next...

It's flamin difficult to re-educate yourself to keep it slow after
years of CMR...

Regards,

Mark
at V8thunder dot com

LL Poo

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by LL Poo » Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:31:44


> If you're stymied on the Rally School, set it aside and go play around
> on the stages for a bit.  A run through Frazier Wells in the USA rally
> really clears out the cobwebs ;).

> HTH,
> Kendt

Wow, that is a fun course, my best was 2:25.  Is that good or bad?  Can
players break the course record?  Are these courses real life and the
records too?
LL Poo

Richard Burns Rally - noob having hard time

by LL Poo » Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:34:23



>>Would a steering wheel make it easier?  I'm using the analog sticks for
>>turning and acclerating

> Would you drive your own personal car using an analog stick for turning and
> accelerating?  That answers your question <G>

Yes but I am not convinced it will make a difference, a huge difference
is going from a key pad to an analog stick but now the steering wheel
seems like an ananlog stick with just a different shape.  Besides I can
sit in my lazy boy with the controller in my hand can you do that with a
steering wheel?  I still would like to try a steering wheel maybe I'll
borrow one from someone and see if my opinion changes.

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