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> I hate Bullet-time ;-)
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> Surely if the US was more aware of world affairs, they *would* be
> minding their own business? You can definately be aware of something
> without trying to exert your own influence on it.
> iksteh
I really feel for the people there, but I do not believe that denial will
solve anything. If we act like nothing happened, then it will only get
much, much worse. First the US, then who? France, England, Australia ?
Hitler was a terrorist of sorts, and no one dared to fix the problem before
it became a World War. The same could happen here.
> <snip>
> > Strike one, the Taliban are hardly innocent here.
> Agree.
> > Strike two, we're hardly anywhere near hundreds of thousands of
innocents.
> Um, then why are we facing one of the worst refugee disasters
> this century along the pakistan border? I'm not talking direct
> casualties. I'm talking about the people who saw it coming and
> fled with nowhere to go and no hope for a future. You think you
> guys were scared when you got attacked - how must these people
> feel to run absolutely nowhere? Wow - inspiring terror into the
> population of another country is akin to...no, i won't say it.
> > Strike three, i don't care. They way i see it, we have nearly ten
thousand
> > lives to make up for. You wanna strike US soil? Knock yourself out, but
be
> > prepared for the backlash and kiss your ass goodbye. I suppose you'd
> prefer
> > everyone to just sit around with their thumbs up their collective ass
and
> let a bunch of
> > jerkass terrorists take over the place, huh?
> I *am* watching as a bunch of jerkarse terrorists take over the place.
> iksteh
> Absolutely. That's what most of the world has been wishing for decades
> now. I'm talking the *people* of the world, not necessarily their
> govts.
> --
> Fester
> > Being the strongest and most able gives great responsibility. But
> > being stronger than your peers does not make you intellectually or
> > morally superior.
> It does when you beat them into submission. :)
Cheers.
--
Fester
> > So then, if bin Laden & company actually USE these nukes instead of just
> > talking about their intentions, that changes everything then? Without a
> > double standard, there is a real lack of logic in that statement. <g>
> He's made it pretty clear that when he develops the ability to launch nukes
> our way, he will. So, are you proposing that we sit around and wait for some
> nukes to fall on our heads?
> Oh, and for the record, no, i don't fully agree with the dropping of the
> bombs on Japan.
> --
> - Will DeRivera
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So now that we are here & now in this predicament, what do we do? Don't
know for sure, it's awfully sticky for sure. But I can tell you it was
avoidable in the first place. We've been getting warned since at least
1979 that I'm aware of to take ourselves on home where we belong. Do we
have to listen? Of course not. But don't be surprised when something
happens because of our refusals. When you are tresspassing on someone
else's property, don't be surprised at what may happen when you refuse
to leave.
--
Fester
Why can't we all just get along? <g>
> Realize something here.
> WWII is OVER. It is DONE. Very few people left in the USA today had
> ANYTHING to do with it, let alone were alive at the time. It's closing in
> on 60 YEARS ago. It makes a rather poor comparison, in my opinion. The NY
> attack wasn't even truly prompted, unless you subscribe to OBL's line of
> thinking. The nuclear attacks weren't unprovoked; Pearl Harbor and a little
> thing called three years of WWII helped get that. Something tells me from
> the raw statistics of those who actually use computers and play video
> games - hence get into stuff like RAS - that there's an extremely small
> number of people on this NG who were even alive at the time. Even assuming
> they were just old enough to be in the military, 18, in 1945, that puts them
> at a birth year of 1927. That makes anyone that age 74 today.
So rather than have our military men fight their military men, we run
back behind enemy lines & bomb their homes. And their women, children &
elderly, seeing how the able young men were off in the Pacific fighting
us. In other words, killing innocents. And not once either. Twice.
:-/
Unpleasant situation to be sure. However, *we* picked this fight. More
correctly, our government picked this fight. You know the most
frightening question in all this? With all our meddling world wide, who
else are we enraging against us for future terrorist acts? I don't even
want to think about it.
--
Fester
> At least the people there have the option to run. The people in NYC had no
> option. If you want to blame someone, blame the Taliban for hiding the
> terrorists. We gave them plenty of chance to help bring him to justice, but
> they continue to play on his side. If you want to protect the people of the
> country, you can't protect the terrorists.
It is happening.
--
Fester
> But the *people* are to stupid to understand that you don't handle
> everything by ignoring the problem. If you believe that the world would be
> fine if each country only looked out for itself, then you sir are one of the
> *people*.
--
Fester
Things in Persia were "screwed up" a long time before we stuck our
noses in. In fact the American role is Iran is almost entirely
symbolic, that of the scape goat.
> I didn't read your post. One word for you:
> Paragraphs.
> > Ok, let me lower my iq for a post. Keep up with the stinking thread,
sales
> > makes no difference in the quality of a game, that's why it doesn't
matter
> > about the sales of Deer Hunter in this thread, nor does it matter what
the
> > popular opinion is about hunting in general in real life IN THIS THREAD.
> > There are 5 Deer Hunter titles and a host of others in the genre. Does
that
> > mean they are good? Hell no! Does it mean there are more titles though
and
> > that the company can do different titles and genres because of those
sales?
> > Hell yes! The whole point of my initial response was not to infuriate
> > foreigners as YOU might think, it was to show that personal preference
has
> > nothing to do with the quality of a game, whatever that game is, and
> > following later, that those titles that bring home the bacon aren't
> > necessarily great games but should be respected. This world has many
> > different peoples and tastes and a game should not be counted as not
good
> > for a simmer because they don't like racing ovals or that they don't
like
> > the concept of hunting. I am a big fan of GPL and what it accomplished.
It's
> > still fun to drive. But, driving an old car around a bunch of tracks
that
> > either don't exist or have been changed a lot since, doesn't keep my
> > attention long and doesn't simulate anything but a fantasy world since
most
> > of us weren't alive during that period. Sorry. On the other hand, it did
> > allow for Papyrus to get a rudementary version of the next physics
engine
> > out the door for the next NASCAR title (without tire model and the pit
> > experience) and I respect that immensely. The fact that the plans for
> > NASCAR3's physics being the same or near same model as GPL's being
scrapped
> > and delayed until Nascar4, was a direct result of that game's financial
> > failure, whether France did well or not. Does that mean the game is bad?
> > Nope. Does that mean I quit driving the game? Maybe in stints but I do
fire
> > it up every once in a while. Does that mean that I don't respect the
game
> > and what it brings to the table? No. Does that mean that the simmer does
not
> > have it well because of personal preference about racing ovals? No, and
> > that's the whole point. Ok, recharging iq level ...
> > Regards, Phillip
> > > Deer Hunter outsells everything else in the USA and it doesn't
> > > mean anything? ROTFLMAO.
> > > Looking from the outside in, it implies the majority of Americans
> > > are a bunch of rednecks who love killing innocent creatures. And
> > > your comment about French sales just about clinches it...America
> > > is not the be-all, end-all of the world - just the loudest part.
While
> > > you dismiss the rest of the world as unimportant, you make it obvious
> > > just how inwardly focused you are.
> > > Did it ever occur to you that F1 game sales shouldn't do as well in
> > > the USA as in European countries (given the origins of F1).
> > > iksteh
> > > > well, it's great to see the game did well in France!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
> > > I'll
> > > > keep that in mind if I ever go there ... Deer Hunter outsold
everything
> > > here
> > > > in the states, that doesn't mean anything ...
> > It shows how things in other people's countries get all screwed up &
> out
> > of their own people's control once we stick our noses in. Which is
> why
> > many would prefer we keep to ourselves.
> This is immensely interesting. On one hand you have calm, rational,
> empathy and on the other emotional bursts of ignorance exhibited for the
> World & dog to see. Any sort of middle ground has been carefully exposed
> to saturation bombing.
> Keep up the good work guys, the hole is getting bigger by the post.
> Cheers,
> Jens
--
Fester
Have a nice day, Phillip
> > >Tragic though the events of Sept
> > >were - how can the US justify displacing hundreds of thousands of
> > >similar innocents just before the harsh afghan winter sets in?
> > Osama Bin Laden and his Taliban friends have stated quite openly their
> > desire to obtain and use nuclear, chemical and biological weapons
> > against the US. I suppose we should sit around waiting for the harsh
> > afghan winter to dissipate before we try to prevent them carrying out
> > that threat?
> I guess Japan should be going after us then. We actually USED nukes on
> them. But's that's OK eh?.....
> --
> Fester
> Do you know what the difference is between us bombing them and them coming
> after us is? Since you can't figure it out on your own, the Afghan gov't was
> given an option to stop it all, just like the Japanese were. We told the
> Afghan gov't to turn over the guy or face the consequences, right? Just like
> we did with Japan. The Afghan gov't doesnt give two shits about their people
> or they would turn him over, just like the Japanese gov't didn't give two
> shits about their people when we had to drop not one but TWO atomic bombs on
> them before they would surrender. They saw the damage of the first, were
> given the opportunity to surrender and didn't, and then were bombed again.
> An unannounced attack vs. a turn him over or else approach is vastly
> different. Wake up and smell the coffee. The last time I checked, we werent
> bombing the Japanese before they attacked Pearl Harbor and we were staying
> out of the war, and the last time I checked, we were not bombing where we
> are now until we were attacked, and even then we were not until after we
> told them to let go of Osama or face the consequences. If you can't see the
> difference, then that's a shame.
Door #1 - Bombing & killing innocent civilians is always OK. -- If you
choose this door, clam up about NYC.
Door #2 - Bombing & killing innocent civilians is always wrong -- Have
the backbone to stand up & be counted as you condemn ALL who engage in
such activities. Including your own government.
Door #3 - Sometimes it's OK, sometimes it isn't. As in "It's OK for us
to do it, but not anyone else". Relegate yourself to the heap where the
hypocrites & those who are irrelevant stay.
Which door you want? I'll take door #2 myself.
We can settle this on the track someday. :-) Cheers.
--
Fester
How does that make you feel? :-)
BTW, we Americans celebrated in the streets after the bombing of Japan, and
it's surrender. That's kind of sickening.
David G Fisher
> > Do you know what the difference is between us bombing them and them
coming
> > after us is? Since you can't figure it out on your own, the Afghan gov't
was
> > given an option to stop it all, just like the Japanese were. We told the
> > Afghan gov't to turn over the guy or face the consequences, right? Just
like
> > we did with Japan. The Afghan gov't doesnt give two shits about their
people
> > or they would turn him over, just like the Japanese gov't didn't give
two
> > shits about their people when we had to drop not one but TWO atomic
bombs on
> > them before they would surrender. They saw the damage of the first, were
> > given the opportunity to surrender and didn't, and then were bombed
again.
> > An unannounced attack vs. a turn him over or else approach is vastly
> > different. Wake up and smell the coffee. The last time I checked, we
werent
> > bombing the Japanese before they attacked Pearl Harbor and we were
staying
> > out of the war, and the last time I checked, we were not bombing where
we
> > are now until we were attacked, and even then we were not until after we
> > told them to let go of Osama or face the consequences. If you can't see
the
> > difference, then that's a shame.
> I'm getting rather bored of all this. Before I go, we're gonna play a
> game of Let's Make a Deal. Let's see what's behind the 3 doors...
> Door #1 - Bombing & killing innocent civilians is always OK. -- If you
> choose this door, clam up about NYC.
> Door #2 - Bombing & killing innocent civilians is always wrong -- Have
> the backbone to stand up & be counted as you condemn ALL who engage in
> such activities. Including your own government.
> Door #3 - Sometimes it's OK, sometimes it isn't. As in "It's OK for us
> to do it, but not anyone else". Relegate yourself to the heap where the
> hypocrites & those who are irrelevant stay.
> Which door you want? I'll take door #2 myself.
> We can settle this on the track someday. :-) Cheers.
> --
> Fester
