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> Strike one, the Taliban are hardly innocent here.

>By the same logic, any enemies of the United States should be
>doing their best to eradicate the existing US supplies of nuclear,
>biological and chemical weapons before the Americans have time
>to use them.  From what I saw on a Mike Moore doco a little
>while ago, some chemical agents have been sitting in warehouses
>(in shells) for decades, guarded by less than 5 on duty soldiers.
>(gas in question was sarin gas, in artillery shells)

> Maybe I just see it differently.  I don't see it as some miracle
> of technology when the bombs are shown hitting buildings - I
> see it as killing more people.  I don't see it as an advancement
> of civilisation, I see it as more death.

> Ok - how about a different perspective on recent events.
> I watched (live, as did many others) an unspeakable act committed
> on thousands of innocent people.  I'm referring to the tragedy in
> New York in September.

> I saw the American people feel a huge range of emotions - all
> perfectly valid and understandable.  The feelings were echoed
> worldwide and that so many innocents had to die was shocking.

> But then I saw the American war machine move into action.  Maybe
> from the American perspective, this was retaliation or revenge for
> that hurt that had wronged them.  From outside the USA?  It looked
> like a whole lot more people, innocent and guilty were about to
> die in a hunt for the perpetrators.  Tragic though the events of Sept
> were - how can the US justify displacing hundreds of thousands of
> similar innocents just before the harsh afghan winter sets in?  Surely
> if this was to be a campaign of years (according to the Bush Admin)
> then further planning and acting differently would prevent further loss
> of life?

> So yes, we get fed the same thing.  I guess we just feed it through
> different value systems as well as having a different emotional charge
> on the situation.

> iksteh

> > At least we're doing something besides complaining....

> > Seems to me there are plenty of countries in the world who are perfectly
> > happy to rip into America and call us ignorant and this and that, but
when
> > something goes wrong, they're begging us to help because no one else
will.
> > So we do, and we still get called names.  What does your media feed you
> > about us??????

> > Ryan

>> Oh you mean the innocent Japanese who started WW2 in Asia,***d
>> Nanking, turned Korean women into sex slaves and bombed Pearl Harbor.
>> Yeah, right.

>No, not those Japanese, the ones without an uniform sitting in their
>homes in Hiroshima. (Same can be said of Dresden, London and any other
>cities that were bombed, of course.)
>--

> Low blows are my specialty - hence asbestos undies :)

> I don't hate America, or Americans.  I just pointed out
> that from an external viewpoint, the American public are
> largely loud and ignorant.  The only people arguing the
> point are Americans.

> WE ARE NOT LOUD NOR INGNOR...INGNOR...WELL WE AREN'T THAT WORD!!!
> dave henrie

> >   And from an American viewpoint, the rest of the world is arrogant and
> > uninformed.  There, we've both engaged in incorrect, sweeping,
> > generalizations<G>

> > -John

> > > > That was a pretty low blow, and I think it's sad that people can hate
> a
> > > > place so much they've never been to...

> > > Low blows are my specialty - hence asbestos undies :)

> > > I don't hate America, or Americans.  I just pointed out
> > > that from an external viewpoint, the American public are
> > > largely loud and ignorant.  The only people arguing the
> > > point are Americans.

> > > iksteh

> > I don't hate America, or Americans.  I just pointed out
> > that from an external viewpoint, the American public are
> > largely loud and ignorant.  The only people arguing the
> > point are Americans.

> > iksteh

> You completely missed the point. His only point was that just because
> something sells well (is popular) doens't necessarily mean it is good.

> Regards, Phillip

> > Deer Hunter outsells everything else in the USA and it doesn't
> > mean anything?  ROTFLMAO.

> > Looking from the outside in, it implies the majority of Americans
> > are a bunch of rednecks who love killing innocent creatures.  And
> > your comment about French sales just about clinches it...America
> > is not the be-all, end-all of the world - just the loudest part.  While
> > you dismiss the rest of the world as unimportant, you make it obvious
> > just how inwardly focused you are.

> > Did it ever occur to you that F1 game sales shouldn't do as well in
> > the USA as in European countries (given the origins of F1).

> > iksteh

> > > well, it's great to see the game did well in France!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
> > I'll
> > > keep that in mind if I ever go there ... Deer Hunter outsold everything
> > here
> > > in the states, that doesn't mean anything ...

> At least we're doing something besides complaining....

> Seems to me there are plenty of countries in the world who are perfectly
> happy to rip into America and call us ignorant and this and that, but when
> something goes wrong, they're begging us to help because no one else will.
> So we do, and we still get called names.  What does your media feed you
> about us??????

> Ryan

> >Tragic though the events of Sept
> >were - how can the US justify displacing hundreds of thousands of
> >similar innocents just before the harsh afghan winter sets in?

> Osama Bin Laden and his Taliban friends have stated quite openly their
> desire to obtain and use nuclear, chemical and biological weapons
> against the US.  I suppose we should sit around waiting for the harsh
> afghan winter to dissipate before we try to prevent them carrying out
> that threat?

> >And before you say the US wouldn't use nukes - they are still the
> >only nation who has used nuclear weapons in anger and once again
> >that was against innocent civilians.

> Oh you mean the innocent Japanese who started WW2 in Asia,***d
> Nanking, turned Korean women into sex slaves and bombed Pearl Harbor.
> Yeah, right.

> Strike one, the Taliban are hardly innocent here. Strike two, we're hardly
> anywhere near hundreds of thousands of innocents. Strike three, i don't
> care. They way i see it, we have nearly ten thousand lives to make up for.
> You wanna strike US soil? Knock yourself out, but be prepared for the
> backlash and kiss your ass goodbye. I suppose you'd prefer everyone to just
> sit around with their thumbs up their collective ass and let a bunch of
> jerkass terrorists take over the place, huh?