rec.autos.simulators

by **Milhous** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 07:14:00

performance characteristics, but what he said of their performance is quite
true. You won't find much grip in them at all until you heat them up.

And to everyone complaining about the lack of grip...Winston Cup cars are
NOT CART cars. They don't have ground effects, they don't have terribly
sophisticated suspensions (they still use a live axle!), and they weigh
3600lbs with 800 horsepower. Just try to make that ride anything but an
exercise in trying to find grip.

Milhouse

have
> low grip, you may have been misinformed at one point. But good try either
> way.

> Jesse

by **Gerald Moo** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 07:20:56

> As a fellow American, I have to agree that we're really a friendly
> nation (after we train terrorists to kill your leaders and install
> military dictatorships in place of your rightfully elected
> governments) and will offer a helping hand to those in need (if you
> have enough oil or ***). We're also an extremely well-informed
> people (more TV's than bathrooms, according to surveys) with a real
> sense of national pride and unity (if you're not Asian, Black,
> Hispanic, or Arabic). Our government sets the global standard (in
> terms of scandals and corruption), being run by intelligent (Bush),
> compassionate (Ashcroft), and peaceful (Cheney) men who will risk life
> and limb (hiding in underground bunkers) to protect truth (via
> domestic and foreign covert operations), justice (unless you're ruling
> on an election which you have direct personal and financial ties to),
> and freedom (unless explicity taken away by the Patriot act). It's
> bad enough we feel the need to police the world, but do we have to put
> the LAPD in charge of it?

Right on. Sometimes, I feel like I am the Skipper living in an entire
land of Gilligans.

So, drunk cowboys playing with computers is a bad thing? I'm
confused. I thought that was the m/o of the USAF. Maybe I need
another Coors Light.

Sure, you buyin? Have you tried the draft in the bottle?

by **Jens H. Kruus** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 07:31:49

Let's dispell this myth once and for all, shall we? Abstaining from
using the bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki would not force the Allies
to invade Japan. As a matter of fact, the firebombings carried out by
the Americans from early March and onwards took a much greater toll on
the Japanese people's will to fight. The damage caused by these bombings
was much greater than that of the nuclear bombs. The effort nearly
depleted the US stores of incendiary bombs according to one source,
which I unfortunately cannot find at the moment.

By the time the nukes fell on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan was beaten.
Utterly and completely.

For an excellent (and horrible) summary, see:
http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~jmt26/firebomb.htm
Additional sources are listed at the bottom.

"In the aftermath of the war, casualty figures for the Tokyo attack was
reported anywhere from 152,689 to 234,412."

/Jens

by **ymenar** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 07:50:03

> Understood <G> Is Jacob's ng back up? Send me the IP, etc. if you
can,
> thanks.

> > I hate Bullet-time ;-)

Yeah the "nerd" (hehe) gave food to some of his hamsters so they started
going around the wheel, thus making electricity for his news server to work
temporarily. You can find it as it's usual old address, news.simracing.org
. Not much happening there at the moment. MHO will come back as soon as

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by **Will DeRiver** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:37:53

Thank you. I'm glad i'm not the only one who can see the difference.
--
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by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:23:07

Lol, thanks.

-John

> Yeah the "nerd" (hehe) gave food to some of his hamsters so they started
> going around the wheel, thus making electricity for his news server to
work
> temporarily. You can find it as it's usual old address,
news.simracing.org
> . Not much happening there at the moment. MHO will come back as soon as

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:26:13

They have more than is in N4 <G>

-John

by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:05:09

Np......now, does this mean you'll slow down(waaay down, lol) and let me
pass you Friday night for a change<G>?

-John

> > Agreed, though there was plenty of Chinese, American, British, etc.
> > civilians who suffered the same fate(death, etc.)from those who started
> the
> > war, the Japanese.
> > I just have a problem applying 2001 morals to a 1945 event. Borders on
> > revisionism IMO.

> > -John

> Thank you. I'm glad i'm not the only one who can see the difference.
> --
> - Will DeRivera
> - http://www.numic.net
> - http://www.luxt.com

by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:51:46

> By the time the nukes fell on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan was beaten.
> Utterly and completely.

> For an excellent (and horrible) summary, see:
> http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~jmt26/firebomb.htm
> Additional sources are listed at the bottom.

> "In the aftermath of the war, casualty figures for the Tokyo attack was
> reported anywhere from 152,689 to 234,412."

> /Jens

Very informative site. Thanks for the link.

--

Fester

by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:53:21

> Agreed, though there was plenty of Chinese, American, British, etc.
> civilians who suffered the same fate(death, etc.)from those who started the
> war, the Japanese.
> I just have a problem applying 2001 morals to a 1945 event. Borders on
> revisionism IMO.

Pardon me? Killing innocents is 2001 morals? OK.....

--

Fester

by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 13:28:13

No, but judging whether the bomb should/should not have been used is.
That's just having "crystal clear" vision.........56 years after the fact.

No big deal; no one's really "right", just viewpoints is all.

-John

> > Agreed, though there was plenty of Chinese, American, British, etc.
> > civilians who suffered the same fate(death, etc.)from those who started
the
> > war, the Japanese.
> > I just have a problem applying 2001 morals to a 1945 event. Borders on
> > revisionism IMO.

> Pardon me? Killing innocents is 2001 morals? OK.....

> --

> Fester

by **jason moy** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:03:25

> > --Jason (Guinness anyone?)

> Sure, you buyin?

Sure thing. I can get Guinness here for $2/pint which isn't too bad
considering that a case is $45 and I pay $3 for a bottle of Yuengling
half the time.

I saw an ad for the new bottled Guinness but honestly I have to say
I'm a little bit skeptical considering how bad bottled Guinness has
traditionally been. If I can find a place serving it around here I'll
have to check it out.

--Jason

by **Stephen Ferguso** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:03:26

Yep. After they saw what a "good" idea it was with Dresden, they just
loaded them as fast as they could into the planes.

Stephen

by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 21:42:39

> No big deal; no one's really "right", just viewpoints is all.

Cheers.

--

Fester

by **Gerald Moo** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 23:10:29

Nice price. It's about $4 or $5 here for a pint.

They have been selling it in the grocery stores here in a tall can,
with some sort of "widget" which magically transforms it into a more
authentic replica of the actual draft beer. Assume the new bottle
works the same way.

cheers,
Gerald

> > > --Jason (Guinness anyone?)

> > Sure, you buyin?

> Sure thing. I can get Guinness here for $2/pint which isn't too bad
> considering that a case is $45 and I pay $3 for a bottle of Yuengling
> half the time.

> > Have you tried the draft in the bottle?

> I saw an ad for the new bottled Guinness but honestly I have to say
> I'm a little bit skeptical considering how bad bottled Guinness has
> traditionally been. If I can find a place serving it around here I'll
> have to check it out.

> --Jason

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