rec.autos.simulators

>  Does stink though.

>-John

>> This makes more sense, but its still a bug or more of a mistake, however
>you want to label it...

>> |   I should add to this, that in the game's "mind",(and in reality), he
>had
>> | passed you for position already; he was in front of you.  So, when you
>> | passed him, it was a pass to the inside, for position, before the line.
>> | Black flag.
>> |
>> |   Hope this helps.
>> |
>> | -John
>> |
>> |


>> | >   That's not a bug.  You pass to the inside before the line, you get
>black
>> | > flagged, doesn't matter what position.   You can pass all you want to
>the
>> | > outside before the line.
>> | >  The manual says strange things will be taken into consideration, but
>I've
>> | > yet to see it work that way.
>> | >
>> | > -John
>> | >
>> | >


>> | > > report that..
>> | > >
>> | > >


>> | > > | How did you get your BF?  I got one the other night in a pick-up
>game
>> | > > | where a guy jumped the start and blew by me on the outside BEFORE
>the
>> | > > | start-finish, then BEFORE the start-finish he let up for some
>reason
>> | > > | and I passed him back on the inside and was given a black flag
>even
>> | > > | though I crossed the start-finish line in the same position I was
>in
>> | > > | under yellow.  Definetly a bug in the game.  Just wondering if the
>> | > > | same thing happend to you.
>> | > > |
>> | > > | Brian Oster
>> | > > | aka ZugZug1
>> | > > |
>> | > > |


>> | > > |
>> | > > | >
>> | > > | >

>> | > > | >>
>> | > > | >
>> | > > | >Sorry Ed, but I disagree with you on the restart, unless there's
>a
>> | > > | >problem with the server or something, I'm against restarts
>> | > > | >
>> | > > | >Having said that though, that was a pretty shitty race, it had
>> | > > | >everything but long green runs :-), guys racing to the front from
>L1,
>> | > no
>> | > > | >discipline under yellow.....man, I think we even came to a halt
>in
>> | the
>> | > > | >Tri Oval as went green once ?
>> | > > | >
>> | > > | >Good thing I have a sense of humor :-), sorry to BFarmer for
>taking
>> | you
>> | > > | >out late in the race, I was trying to get low to pit to serve a
>bogus
>> | > BF
>> | > > | >and was clearly not paying attention to my surroundings
>> | > > | >
>> | > > | >Man, I was being so patient and all, just dodged wrecks and tried
>to
>> | > > | >keep the car in piece, was in about 10th late in the race and
>then I
>> | > got
>> | > > | >that BF, was PO'ed and haven't raced online for a a while, paid
>the
>> | > > | >price for that, too bad BFarmer did the same
>> | > > | >
>> | > > | >It IS possible to have good racing at Dega guys, I know, I had at
>> | least
>> | > > | >*one* back on TEN :-), but it takes patience
>> | > > | >
>> | > > | >As for me, I need to brush up on some NASCAR rules
>> | > > | >
>> | > > | >"You are NOT allowed to serve BF's during restarts" - gotcha
>> | > > | >"You are NOT allowed to merge before T1, even under yellow" -
>gotcha
>> | > > | >
>> | > > | >
>> | > > | >Beers and cheers
>> | > > | >(uncle) Goy
>> | > > | >
>> | > > | >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
>> | > > | >
>> | > > | >"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
>> | > > | >--Groucho Marx--
>> | > > |
>> | > > | Brian Oster
>> | > > |
>> | > >
>> | > >
>> | >
>> | >
>> |
>> |

>--
>Mike Grandy
>www.precision-racing.com


>> I know passing to the right is illegal, but he said the guy passed him on
>the LEFT then slowed down and he passed him back, meaning
>> he passed BACK a car that should have been behind him in the first place..
>I call it a bug, he did not do anything wrong...

>> |   That's not a bug.  You pass to the inside before the line, you get
>black
>> | flagged, doesn't matter what position.   You can pass all you want to
>the
>> | outside before the line.
>> |  The manual says strange things will be taken into consideration, but
>I've
>> | yet to see it work that way.
>> |
>> | -John
>> |
>> |


>> | > report that..
>> | >
>> | >


>> | > | How did you get your BF?  I got one the other night in a pick-up
>game
>> | > | where a guy jumped the start and blew by me on the outside BEFORE
>the
>> | > | start-finish, then BEFORE the start-finish he let up for some reason
>> | > | and I passed him back on the inside and was given a black flag even
>> | > | though I crossed the start-finish line in the same position I was in
>> | > | under yellow.  Definetly a bug in the game.  Just wondering if the
>> | > | same thing happend to you.
>> | > |
>> | > | Brian Oster
>> | > | aka ZugZug1
>> | > |
>> | > |


>> | > |
>> | > | >
>> | > | >

>> | > | >>
>> | > | >
>> | > | >Sorry Ed, but I disagree with you on the restart, unless there's a
>> | > | >problem with the server or something, I'm against restarts
>> | > | >
>> | > | >Having said that though, that was a pretty shitty race, it had
>> | > | >everything but long green runs :-), guys racing to the front from
>L1,
>> | no
>> | > | >discipline under yellow.....man, I think we even came to a halt in
>the
>> | > | >Tri Oval as went green once ?
>> | > | >
>> | > | >Good thing I have a sense of humor :-), sorry to BFarmer for taking
>you
>> | > | >out late in the race, I was trying to get low to pit to serve a
>bogus
>> | BF
>> | > | >and was clearly not paying attention to my surroundings
>> | > | >
>> | > | >Man, I was being so patient and all, just dodged wrecks and tried
>to
>> | > | >keep the car in piece, was in about 10th late in the race and then
>I
>> | got
>> | > | >that BF, was PO'ed and haven't raced online for a a while, paid the
>> | > | >price for that, too bad BFarmer did the same
>> | > | >
>> | > | >It IS possible to have good racing at Dega guys, I know, I had at
>least
>> | > | >*one* back on TEN :-), but it takes patience
>> | > | >
>> | > | >As for me, I need to brush up on some NASCAR rules
>> | > | >
>> | > | >"You are NOT allowed to serve BF's during restarts" - gotcha
>> | > | >"You are NOT allowed to merge before T1, even under yellow" -
>gotcha
>> | > | >
>> | > | >
>> | > | >Beers and cheers
>> | > | >(uncle) Goy
>> | > | >
>> | > | >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
>> | > | >
>> | > | >"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
>> | > | >--Groucho Marx--
>> | > |
>> | > | Brian Oster
>> | > |
>> | >
>> | >
>> |
>> |
>> |

>> How did you get your BF?  I got one the other night in a pick-up game
>> where a guy jumped the start and blew by me on the outside BEFORE the
>> start-finish, then BEFORE the start-finish he let up for some reason
>> and I passed him back on the inside and was given a black flag even
>> though I crossed the start-finish line in the same position I was in
>> under yellow.  Definetly a bug in the game.  Just wondering if the
>> same thing happend to you.

>Nope, was told to stay behind the #7 car, even though I was in the right
>place according to the F2 screen

>Today it's no big deal, but last night....:-), in the heat of the
>moment, after being patient and just keeping out of trouble in an
>incident packed race, I was hopping mad, which explains my total brain
>fade even though it doesn't excuse it

>Beers and cheers
>(uncle) Goy

>http://www.theuspits.com
>http://www.teammirage.com

>"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
>--Groucho Marx--

>--
>Mike Grandy
>www.precision-racing.com


>> IHMO, dump-drafting online is for idiots (no offence).  It's very
>hazardous
>> and the possilbe gain from it is microscopic..  It should be "outlawed"
>> imho.. :-)

>> --
>> ed_

>> "Mike Grandy" said:
>> > This model is much easier to bump draft with. The key to bump drafting
>> I've
>> > found is when you do bump the front driver if he lets go of the wheel at
>> the
>> > exact second of impact and  if his car is misaligned he won't over
>> correct,
>> > which is why most people wreck.

> Brian Oster

> On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:50:34 GMT, "Mike Grandy"

> >Passing to the right on the restart before the line is legal. Passing
left
> >is not.

> >--
> >Mike Grandy
> >www.precision-racing.com


> >> I know passing to the right is illegal, but he said the guy passed him
on
> >the LEFT then slowed down and he passed him back, meaning
> >> he passed BACK a car that should have been behind him in the first
place..
> >I call it a bug, he did not do anything wrong...

> >> |   That's not a bug.  You pass to the inside before the line, you get
> >black
> >> | flagged, doesn't matter what position.   You can pass all you want to
> >the
> >> | outside before the line.
> >> |  The manual says strange things will be taken into consideration, but
> >I've
> >> | yet to see it work that way.
> >> |
> >> | -John
> >> |
> >> |


> >> | > report that..
> >> | >
> >> | >

message

> >> | > | How did you get your BF?  I got one the other night in a pick-up
> >game
> >> | > | where a guy jumped the start and blew by me on the outside BEFORE
> >the
> >> | > | start-finish, then BEFORE the start-finish he let up for some
reason
> >> | > | and I passed him back on the inside and was given a black flag
even
> >> | > | though I crossed the start-finish line in the same position I was
in
> >> | > | under yellow.  Definetly a bug in the game.  Just wondering if
the
> >> | > | same thing happend to you.
> >> | > |
> >> | > | Brian Oster
> >> | > | aka ZugZug1
> >> | > |
> >> | > |


> >> | > |
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | >

> >> | > | >>
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | >Sorry Ed, but I disagree with you on the restart, unless there's
a
> >> | > | >problem with the server or something, I'm against restarts
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | >Having said that though, that was a pretty shitty race, it had
> >> | > | >everything but long green runs :-), guys racing to the front
from
> >L1,
> >> | no
> >> | > | >discipline under yellow.....man, I think we even came to a halt
in
> >the
> >> | > | >Tri Oval as went green once ?
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | >Good thing I have a sense of humor :-), sorry to BFarmer for
taking
> >you
> >> | > | >out late in the race, I was trying to get low to pit to serve a
> >bogus
> >> | BF
> >> | > | >and was clearly not paying attention to my surroundings
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | >Man, I was being so patient and all, just dodged wrecks and
tried
> >to
> >> | > | >keep the car in piece, was in about 10th late in the race and
then
> >I
> >> | got
> >> | > | >that BF, was PO'ed and haven't raced online for a a while, paid
the
> >> | > | >price for that, too bad BFarmer did the same
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | >It IS possible to have good racing at Dega guys, I know, I had
at
> >least
> >> | > | >*one* back on TEN :-), but it takes patience
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | >As for me, I need to brush up on some NASCAR rules
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | >"You are NOT allowed to serve BF's during restarts" - gotcha
> >> | > | >"You are NOT allowed to merge before T1, even under yellow" -
> >gotcha
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | >Beers and cheers
> >> | > | >(uncle) Goy
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
> >> | > | >
> >> | > | >"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> >> | > | >--Groucho Marx--
> >> | > |
> >> | > | Brian Oster
> >> | > |
> >> | >
> >> | >
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |

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> On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:21:24 -0600, "John Pancoast"

> >  Well, fwiw, it'd be nigh impossible to program the code to recognize
what
> >was happening in a case like that, IMO.

> >  Does stink though.

> >-John

> >> This makes more sense, but its still a bug or more of a mistake,
however
> >you want to label it...

> >> |   I should add to this, that in the game's "mind",(and in reality),
he
> >had
> >> | passed you for position already; he was in front of you.  So, when
you
> >> | passed him, it was a pass to the inside, for position, before the
line.
> >> | Black flag.
> >> |
> >> |   Hope this helps.
> >> |
> >> | -John
> >> |
> >> |


> >> | >   That's not a bug.  You pass to the inside before the line, you
get
> >black
> >> | > flagged, doesn't matter what position.   You can pass all you want
to
> >the
> >> | > outside before the line.
> >> | >  The manual says strange things will be taken into consideration,
but
> >I've
> >> | > yet to see it work that way.
> >> | >
> >> | > -John
> >> | >
> >> | >


> >> | > > report that..
> >> | > >
> >> | > >

message

> >> | > > | How did you get your BF?  I got one the other night in a
pick-up
> >game
> >> | > > | where a guy jumped the start and blew by me on the outside
BEFORE
> >the
> >> | > > | start-finish, then BEFORE the start-finish he let up for some
> >reason
> >> | > > | and I passed him back on the inside and was given a black flag
> >even
> >> | > > | though I crossed the start-finish line in the same position I
was
> >in
> >> | > > | under yellow.  Definetly a bug in the game.  Just wondering if
the
> >> | > > | same thing happend to you.
> >> | > > |
> >> | > > | Brian Oster
> >> | > > | aka ZugZug1
> >> | > > |
> >> | > > |


> >> | > > |
> >> | > > | >
> >> | > > | >

> >> | > > | >>
> >> | > > | >
> >> | > > | >Sorry Ed, but I disagree with you on the restart, unless
there's
> >a
> >> | > > | >problem with the server or something, I'm against restarts
> >> | > > | >
> >> | > > | >Having said that though, that was a pretty shitty race, it had
> >> | > > | >everything but long green runs :-), guys racing to the front
from
> >L1,
> >> | > no
> >> | > > | >discipline under yellow.....man, I think we even came to a
halt
> >in
> >> | the
> >> | > > | >Tri Oval as went green once ?
> >> | > > | >
> >> | > > | >Good thing I have a sense of humor :-), sorry to BFarmer for
> >taking
> >> | you
> >> | > > | >out late in the race, I was trying to get low to pit to serve
a
> >bogus
> >> | > BF
> >> | > > | >and was clearly not paying attention to my surroundings
> >> | > > | >
> >> | > > | >Man, I was being so patient and all, just dodged wrecks and
tried
> >to
> >> | > > | >keep the car in piece, was in about 10th late in the race and
> >then I
> >> | > got
> >> | > > | >that BF, was PO'ed and haven't raced online for a a while,
paid
> >the
> >> | > > | >price for that, too bad BFarmer did the same
> >> | > > | >
> >> | > > | >It IS possible to have good racing at Dega guys, I know, I had
at
> >> | least
> >> | > > | >*one* back on TEN :-), but it takes patience
> >> | > > | >
> >> | > > | >As for me, I need to brush up on some NASCAR rules
> >> | > > | >
> >> | > > | >"You are NOT allowed to serve BF's during restarts" - gotcha
> >> | > > | >"You are NOT allowed to merge before T1, even under yellow" -
> >gotcha
> >> | > > | >
> >> | > > | >
> >> | > > | >Beers and cheers
> >> | > > | >(uncle) Goy
> >> | > > | >
> >> | > > | >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
> >> | > > | >
> >> | > > | >"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> >> | > > | >--Groucho Marx--
> >> | > > |
> >> | > > | Brian Oster
> >> | > > |
> >> | > >
> >> | > >
> >> | >
> >> | >
> >> |
> >> |

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> IMHO, "enableing"  bumpdrafting in thos pacth is one of the no so bright
> things Papy have done with N2002...   it's like telling your kid not to
> touch the hot stove.

> --
> ed_

> > Bump drafting is part of real NASCAR racing and I see no problem with it
> if
> > it's done properly. It serves a purpose especially in a breakaway from
the
> > lead. In a tight pack it is not a good idea.

> > --
> > Mike Grandy
> > www.precision-racing.com


> > > IHMO, dump-drafting online is for idiots (no offence).  It's very
> > hazardous
> > > and the possilbe gain from it is microscopic..  It should be
"outlawed"
> > > imho.. :-)

> > > --
> > > ed_

> > > "Mike Grandy" said:
> > > > This model is much easier to bump draft with. The key to bump
drafting
> > > I've
> > > > found is when you do bump the front driver if he lets go of the
wheel
> at
> > > the
> > > > exact second of impact and  if his car is misaligned he won't over
> > > correct,
> > > > which is why most people wreck.

> I didn't get any run on you because of me slowing down and then
> accelerating, really not. My reaction time was just a tiny bit better. And
> like I said the only reason I put my car there was to get your attention
and
> try and influence your driving. But if you say that you must be single
file,
> then I won't do it again. I'm not out to break rules, I do like the old
men
> racing tricks of getting under your opponents skin. That to me, is a big
> part of motor racing.

> > Well, single file means single file and most times when someone
positions
> > themselves to the inside like that they are intending to try to get a
run.
> > You did get a bit of a run but I blocked the hole so it really didn't
> > matter. I don't consider the run you got as jumping the start, but it
was
> > close. Last lap, I would almost expect it.

> > --
> > Mike Grandy
> > www.precision-racing.com

> > > I think I need a clarification on the rules, because what I did
> > positioning
> > > my car on the low lane is that jumping the start? I was doing 70 all
the
> > > time waiting for the green flag and wouldn't have passed you before
the
> > > finish even if I had the chance. The reason I was driving low was just
> to
> > > show my present and hoping that I could affect you and the other guys
in
> > > front by doing that. Because I know the entire lap would be run low,
and
> I
> > > hoped to create some confusion.

> > > On the first restart my reaction time was quite a bit better than the
> guys
> > > in front of me, I hadn't left a gap to get a run on the guys in front.
I
> > was
> > > just quicker.

> > > About racing to the flag, just do it. It's tense and it creates a lot
of
> > > confusion when you don't do it. I really see no reason not to do it.

> > > > I had plenty of fuel according to the fuel guage. Tires were a bit
of
> an
> > > > issue since I had stopped earlier but car felt fine. On that last
> > restart
> > > I
> > > > saw harjan was going to try to get a run and pass me low into one
and
> > I'm
> > > > not a big fan of jumping the restarts so I just went low with him. I
> > think
> > > > that may have put you to the outside of him. It was pretty good
racing
> > up
> > > > front but there are some thaat need to find a little patience and
the
> > > racing
> > > > will be much better.

> > > > --
> > > > Mike Grandy
> > > > www.precision-racing.com


> > > > > Harjan, no apologies needed for the last lap deal.  The last lap
is
> > the
> > > > time
> > > > > to let it all hang out.

> > > > > My anticipation for the ras event would be for everyone to draft
and
> > > > follow
> > > > > in qual order except for mistakes until after the fuel interval.
It
> > > would
> > > > > have been great if we could have run green until after the pit
stop
> > and
> > > > then
> > > > > the last bit of the race we could have raced hard.  It did not
> happen
> > > > > anything like that.  From lap 1 people were forcing passes and
> racing
> > > > crazy.
> > > > > It looked to me like you got a jump on the field on the restart
> after
> > > the
> > > > > first caution and you went high and passed or attempted to pass in
a
> > > > > dangerous manner.  Then after getting behind me with that
maneuver,
> > you
> > > > > passed me after the second yellow came out.  This was the start of
> my
> > > > > confusion about passing under caution.

> > > > > I made my share of mistakes at 'dega too.  I passed under caution
> too
> > > and
> > > > > then saw the leaders slowing well before the s/f line so I slowed
> too
> > > but
> > > > > did not give back the positions I gained.  I also was involved in
an
> > > > > incident on the back stretch going 3 wide with a lapped car in the
> > > middle.
> > > > > My apologies for my transgressions.

> > > > > Congrats to Zugzug for*** on to win after the cautions.
> Congrats
> > > to
> > > > > Grandy for second. I'm still not sure that early pit stop would
have
> > > given
> > > > > you enough gas if it would have gone green the whole way?  Didn't
> you
> > > need
> > > > > 53 laps after your stop?  I wish the 53 green flag laps would have
> > > > happened
> > > > > so you could have demonstrated the outcome.  As it turned out,
even
> > the
> > > > guys
> > > > > that stopped real early (21+55=76)? had plenty of fuel because of
> the
> > > > > yellows?

> > > > > Sorry I had to bolt after the race, the kids had been begging for
> > dinner
> > > > > since 6:00.  The race was longer that I wanted it to be.

> > > > > --
> > > > > Robert Huggins

> > > > > > My apologies #328.

> Yeah, I kinda figured that out.  But it's just an habit I kept from back
in
> those days.  I also don't see the need to bump draft in a race when
> evidently the yellow will fly later in a couple of laps  (-:

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> >IHMO, dump-drafting online is for idiots (no offence).  It's very
hazardous
> >and the possilbe gain from it is microscopic..  It should be "outlawed"
> >imho.. :-)

> I was bump drafting(in practice) with Colin.  Of course, he was
*expecting* it.
>  I don't know how much(if any) it increased our laps...  For some reason,
I
> didn't want to risk it during the actual race.

> Eldred
> --
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> *** cancer.  If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a
> donation.  Thank you.

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> Brian Oster

> On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:03:41 GMT, "Mike Grandy"

> >Bump drafting is part of real NASCAR racing and I see no problem with it
if
> >it's done properly. It serves a purpose especially in a breakaway from
the
> >lead. In a tight pack it is not a good idea.

> >--
> >Mike Grandy
> >www.precision-racing.com


> >> IHMO, dump-drafting online is for idiots (no offence).  It's very
> >hazardous
> >> and the possilbe gain from it is microscopic..  It should be "outlawed"
> >> imho.. :-)

> >> --
> >> ed_

> >> "Mike Grandy" said:
> >> > This model is much easier to bump draft with. The key to bump
drafting
> >> I've
> >> > found is when you do bump the front driver if he lets go of the wheel
at
> >> the
> >> > exact second of impact and  if his car is misaligned he won't over
> >> correct,
> >> > which is why most people wreck.

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> --
> Mike Grandy
> www.precision-racing.com

> > I didn't get any run on you because of me slowing down and then
> > accelerating, really not. My reaction time was just a tiny bit better.
And
> > like I said the only reason I put my car there was to get your attention
> and
> > try and influence your driving. But if you say that you must be single
> file,
> > then I won't do it again. I'm not out to break rules, I do like the old
> men
> > racing tricks of getting under your opponents skin. That to me, is a big
> > part of motor racing.

> > > Well, single file means single file and most times when someone
> positions
> > > themselves to the inside like that they are intending to try to get a
> run.
> > > You did get a bit of a run but I blocked the hole so it really didn't
> > > matter. I don't consider the run you got as jumping the start, but it
> was
> > > close. Last lap, I would almost expect it.

> > > --
> > > Mike Grandy
> > > www.precision-racing.com

> > > > I think I need a clarification on the rules, because what I did
> > > positioning
> > > > my car on the low lane is that jumping the start? I was doing 70 all
> the
> > > > time waiting for the green flag and wouldn't have passed you before
> the
> > > > finish even if I had the chance. The reason I was driving low was
just
> > to
> > > > show my present and hoping that I could affect you and the other
guys
> in
> > > > front by doing that. Because I know the entire lap would be run low,
> and
> > I
> > > > hoped to create some confusion.

> > > > On the first restart my reaction time was quite a bit better than
the
> > guys
> > > > in front of me, I hadn't left a gap to get a run on the guys in
front.
> I
> > > was
> > > > just quicker.

> > > > About racing to the flag, just do it. It's tense and it creates a
lot
> of
> > > > confusion when you don't do it. I really see no reason not to do it.

> > > > > I had plenty of fuel according to the fuel guage. Tires were a bit
> of
> > an
> > > > > issue since I had stopped earlier but car felt fine. On that last
> > > restart
> > > > I
> > > > > saw harjan was going to try to get a run and pass me low into one
> and
> > > I'm
> > > > > not a big fan of jumping the restarts so I just went low with him.
I
> > > think
> > > > > that may have put you to the outside of him. It was pretty good
> racing
> > > up
> > > > > front but there are some thaat need to find a little patience and
> the
> > > > racing
> > > > > will be much better.

> > > > > --
> > > > > Mike Grandy
> > > > > www.precision-racing.com


> > > > > > Harjan, no apologies needed for the last lap deal.  The last lap
> is
> > > the
> > > > > time
> > > > > > to let it all hang out.

> > > > > > My anticipation for the ras event would be for everyone to draft
> and
> > > > > follow
> > > > > > in qual order except for mistakes until after the fuel interval.
> It
> > > > would
> > > > > > have been great if we could have run green until after the pit
> stop
> > > and
> > > > > then
> > > > > > the last bit of the race we could have raced hard.  It did not
> > happen
> > > > > > anything like that.  From lap 1 people were forcing passes and
> > racing
> > > > > crazy.
> > > > > > It looked to me like you got a jump on the field on the restart
> > after
> > > > the
> > > > > > first caution and you went high and passed or attempted to pass
in
> a
> > > > > > dangerous manner.  Then after getting behind me with that
> maneuver,
> > > you
> > > > > > passed me after the second yellow came out.  This was the start
of
> > my
> > > > > > confusion about passing under caution.

> > > > > > I made my share of mistakes at 'dega too.  I passed under
caution
> > too
> > > > and
> > > > > > then saw the leaders slowing well before the s/f line so I
slowed
> > too
> > > > but
> > > > > > did not give back the positions I gained.  I also was involved
in
> an
> > > > > > incident on the back stretch going 3 wide with a lapped car in
the
> > > > middle.
> > > > > > My apologies for my transgressions.

> > > > > > Congrats to Zugzug for*** on to win after the cautions.
> > Congrats
> > > > to
> > > > > > Grandy for second. I'm still not sure that early pit stop would
> have
> > > > given
> > > > > > you enough gas if it would have gone green the whole way?
Didn't
> > you
> > > > need
> > > > > > 53 laps after your stop?  I wish the 53 green flag laps would
have
> > > > > happened
> > > > > > so you could have demonstrated the outcome.  As it turned out,
> even
> > > the
> > > > > guys
> > > > > > that stopped real early (21+55=76)? had plenty of fuel because
of
> > the
> > > > > > yellows?

> > > > > > Sorry I had to bolt after the race, the kids had been begging
for
> > > dinner
> > > > > > since 6:00.  The race was longer that I wanted it to be.

> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Robert Huggins

> > > > > > > My apologies #328.

> How ever you race is fine with me. I think Tim can vouch for my reaction
> time, even for an old man I don't miss much there. I wasn't so much accusing
> you of jumping the start as I have never raced you that I know of and was
> just protecting my line in case you had that idea. You don't have to worry
> about getting my attention, I'm well aware of whats going on even 5 cars
> back. As far as intimidation, you're wating your time. (-:

> > How ever you race is fine with me. I think Tim can vouch for my reaction
> > time, even for an old man I don't miss much there. I wasn't so much
accusing
> > you of jumping the start as I have never raced you that I know of and
was
> > just protecting my line in case you had that idea. You don't have to
worry
> > about getting my attention, I'm well aware of whats going on even 5 cars
> > back. As far as intimidation, you're wating your time. (-:

> Yeah, but in person I'm sure he could intimidate you, you little wuss

> :-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

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