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Not that these two facts are related (!) but after you left there weren't
any more :-)
(and for those who weren't there, Achim didn't cause any of 'em)

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Brian Oster
aka ZugZug1

| How did you get your BF?  I got one the other night in a pick-up game
| where a guy jumped the start and blew by me on the outside BEFORE the
| start-finish, then BEFORE the start-finish he let up for some reason
| and I passed him back on the inside and was given a black flag even
| though I crossed the start-finish line in the same position I was in
| under yellow.  Definetly a bug in the game.  Just wondering if the
| same thing happend to you.
|
| Brian Oster
| aka ZugZug1
|
|

|
| >
| >
| >>
| >
| >Sorry Ed, but I disagree with you on the restart, unless there's a
| >problem with the server or something, I'm against restarts
| >
| >Having said that though, that was a pretty shitty race, it had
| >everything but long green runs :-), guys racing to the front from L1, no
| >discipline under yellow.....man, I think we even came to a halt in the
| >Tri Oval as went green once ?
| >
| >Good thing I have a sense of humor :-), sorry to BFarmer for taking you
| >out late in the race, I was trying to get low to pit to serve a bogus BF
| >and was clearly not paying attention to my surroundings
| >
| >Man, I was being so patient and all, just dodged wrecks and tried to
| >keep the car in piece, was in about 10th late in the race and then I got
| >that BF, was PO'ed and haven't raced online for a a while, paid the
| >price for that, too bad BFarmer did the same
| >
| >It IS possible to have good racing at Dega guys, I know, I had at least
| >*one* back on TEN :-), but it takes patience
| >
| >As for me, I need to brush up on some NASCAR rules
| >
| >"You are NOT allowed to serve BF's during restarts" - gotcha
| >"You are NOT allowed to merge before T1, even under yellow" - gotcha
| >
| >
| >Beers and cheers
| >(uncle) Goy
| >
| >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
| >
| >"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
| >--Groucho Marx--
|
| Brian Oster
|

That is really bad luck for you unfortunately. You didn't end up missing
anything though. :-)

I've been in all 12 RASCAR races so far, and only this one and Pocono were
full of yellows. Not sure why though. I guess it's just people being too
aggressive. The other races have been very, very clean. Talladega did have
the biggest field yet (35 I think) so that had a little to do with it. I did
have a lot of fun in practice though. Even got bump drafted by ymenard
thanks to Grant Reeve. I expected the same type of stuff in the race
but.........what a disappointment.

David G Fisher

I wanted to keep the draft 'cause I figured that just HAD to be
the last
yellow ;( .

Oh well, there were only 2 or 3 (or 4 or 5...) more.

Brian

BTW, Ymenard drove without pedals today which must of been pretty damn
difficult.

David G Fisher

-John

  Hope this helps.

-John

  Hopefully this will NOT become common...we don't need a race-group full of
guys who use in-game quirks to***our fellow drivers...
dave henrie

  Then again, Sprague set up Spencer at Bristol the same way......with the
same results<G>

-John

|   That's not a bug.  You pass to the inside before the line, you get black
| flagged, doesn't matter what position.   You can pass all you want to the
| outside before the line.
|  The manual says strange things will be taken into consideration, but I've
| yet to see it work that way.
|
| -John
|
|

| > report that..
| >
| >


| > | How did you get your BF?  I got one the other night in a pick-up game
| > | where a guy jumped the start and blew by me on the outside BEFORE the
| > | start-finish, then BEFORE the start-finish he let up for some reason
| > | and I passed him back on the inside and was given a black flag even
| > | though I crossed the start-finish line in the same position I was in
| > | under yellow.  Definetly a bug in the game.  Just wondering if the
| > | same thing happend to you.
| > |
| > | Brian Oster
| > | aka ZugZug1
| > |
| > |

| > |
| > | >
| > | >

| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >Sorry Ed, but I disagree with you on the restart, unless there's a
| > | >problem with the server or something, I'm against restarts
| > | >
| > | >Having said that though, that was a pretty shitty race, it had
| > | >everything but long green runs :-), guys racing to the front from L1,
| no
| > | >discipline under yellow.....man, I think we even came to a halt in the
| > | >Tri Oval as went green once ?
| > | >
| > | >Good thing I have a sense of humor :-), sorry to BFarmer for taking you
| > | >out late in the race, I was trying to get low to pit to serve a bogus
| BF
| > | >and was clearly not paying attention to my surroundings
| > | >
| > | >Man, I was being so patient and all, just dodged wrecks and tried to
| > | >keep the car in piece, was in about 10th late in the race and then I
| got
| > | >that BF, was PO'ed and haven't raced online for a a while, paid the
| > | >price for that, too bad BFarmer did the same
| > | >
| > | >It IS possible to have good racing at Dega guys, I know, I had at least
| > | >*one* back on TEN :-), but it takes patience
| > | >
| > | >As for me, I need to brush up on some NASCAR rules
| > | >
| > | >"You are NOT allowed to serve BF's during restarts" - gotcha
| > | >"You are NOT allowed to merge before T1, even under yellow" - gotcha
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >Beers and cheers
| > | >(uncle) Goy
| > | >
| > | >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
| > | >
| > | >"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
| > | >--Groucho Marx--
| > |
| > | Brian Oster
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
|

|   I should add to this, that in the game's "mind",(and in reality), he had
| passed you for position already; he was in front of you.  So, when you
| passed him, it was a pass to the inside, for position, before the line.
| Black flag.
|
|   Hope this helps.
|
| -John
|
|


| >   That's not a bug.  You pass to the inside before the line, you get black
| > flagged, doesn't matter what position.   You can pass all you want to the
| > outside before the line.
| >  The manual says strange things will be taken into consideration, but I've
| > yet to see it work that way.
| >
| > -John
| >
| >


| > > report that..
| > >
| > >


| > > | How did you get your BF?  I got one the other night in a pick-up game
| > > | where a guy jumped the start and blew by me on the outside BEFORE the
| > > | start-finish, then BEFORE the start-finish he let up for some reason
| > > | and I passed him back on the inside and was given a black flag even
| > > | though I crossed the start-finish line in the same position I was in
| > > | under yellow.  Definetly a bug in the game.  Just wondering if the
| > > | same thing happend to you.
| > > |
| > > | Brian Oster
| > > | aka ZugZug1
| > > |
| > > |

| > > |
| > > | >
| > > | >

| > > | >>
| > > | >
| > > | >Sorry Ed, but I disagree with you on the restart, unless there's a
| > > | >problem with the server or something, I'm against restarts
| > > | >
| > > | >Having said that though, that was a pretty shitty race, it had
| > > | >everything but long green runs :-), guys racing to the front from L1,
| > no
| > > | >discipline under yellow.....man, I think we even came to a halt in
| the
| > > | >Tri Oval as went green once ?
| > > | >
| > > | >Good thing I have a sense of humor :-), sorry to BFarmer for taking
| you
| > > | >out late in the race, I was trying to get low to pit to serve a bogus
| > BF
| > > | >and was clearly not paying attention to my surroundings
| > > | >
| > > | >Man, I was being so patient and all, just dodged wrecks and tried to
| > > | >keep the car in piece, was in about 10th late in the race and then I
| > got
| > > | >that BF, was PO'ed and haven't raced online for a a while, paid the
| > > | >price for that, too bad BFarmer did the same
| > > | >
| > > | >It IS possible to have good racing at Dega guys, I know, I had at
| least
| > > | >*one* back on TEN :-), but it takes patience
| > > | >
| > > | >As for me, I need to brush up on some NASCAR rules
| > > | >
| > > | >"You are NOT allowed to serve BF's during restarts" - gotcha
| > > | >"You are NOT allowed to merge before T1, even under yellow" - gotcha
| > > | >
| > > | >
| > > | >Beers and cheers
| > > | >(uncle) Goy
| > > | >
| > > | >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
| > > | >
| > > | >"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
| > > | >--Groucho Marx--
| > > |
| > > | Brian Oster
| > > |
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|

My anticipation for the ras event would be for everyone to draft and follow
in qual order except for mistakes until after the fuel interval.  It would
have been great if we could have run green until after the pit stop and then
the last bit of the race we could have raced hard.  It did not happen
anything like that.  From lap 1 people were forcing passes and racing crazy.
It looked to me like you got a jump on the field on the restart after the
first caution and you went high and passed or attempted to pass in a
dangerous manner.  Then after getting behind me with that maneuver, you
passed me after the second yellow came out.  This was the start of my
confusion about passing under caution.

I made my share of mistakes at 'dega too.  I passed under caution too and
then saw the leaders slowing well before the s/f line so I slowed too but
did not give back the positions I gained.  I also was involved in an
incident on the back stretch going 3 wide with a lapped car in the middle.
My apologies for my transgressions.

Congrats to Zugzug for*** on to win after the cautions.  Congrats to
Grandy for second. I'm still not sure that early pit stop would have given
you enough gas if it would have gone green the whole way?  Didn't you need
53 laps after your stop?  I wish the 53 green flag laps would have happened
so you could have demonstrated the outcome.  As it turned out, even the guys
that stopped real early (21+55=76)? had plenty of fuel because of the
yellows?

Sorry I had to bolt after the race, the kids had been begging for dinner
since 6:00.  The race was longer that I wanted it to be.

--
Robert Huggins