rec.autos.simulators

> >      That's correct. It was John, topper and myself that got black flagged
> > and lost a lap for passing some cars that spun right before the line under
> > the yellow early in the race.

> >      We spent most of the race trying to get the lap back and, fortunately
> > for topper and myself, we were allowed to by Mike Grandy (who sacrificed
> his
> > lead I think) and please tell me who else. Thanks again guys. It made the
> > end of our race much more enjoyable.

> Mike Grandy was leading and I was in second when you got your lap back. I
> don't think he lost the lead. I did get passed for second and almost ran
> over by another car though. Did John Simmons get spun by someone when he was
> trying to get his lap back at the same time? I thought I saw a car go
> spinning down low coming back to take the caution. It was tough trying to be
> nice and give everyone their lap back and not get ran over in the process.

> I think I need a clarification on the rules, because what I did
positioning
> my car on the low lane is that jumping the start? I was doing 70 all the
> time waiting for the green flag and wouldn't have passed you before the
> finish even if I had the chance. The reason I was driving low was just to
> show my present and hoping that I could affect you and the other guys in
> front by doing that. Because I know the entire lap would be run low, and I
> hoped to create some confusion.

> On the first restart my reaction time was quite a bit better than the guys
> in front of me, I hadn't left a gap to get a run on the guys in front. I
was
> just quicker.

> About racing to the flag, just do it. It's tense and it creates a lot of
> confusion when you don't do it. I really see no reason not to do it.

> > I had plenty of fuel according to the fuel guage. Tires were a bit of an
> > issue since I had stopped earlier but car felt fine. On that last
restart
> I
> > saw harjan was going to try to get a run and pass me low into one and
I'm
> > not a big fan of jumping the restarts so I just went low with him. I
think
> > that may have put you to the outside of him. It was pretty good racing
up
> > front but there are some thaat need to find a little patience and the
> racing
> > will be much better.

> > --
> > Mike Grandy
> > www.precision-racing.com


> > > Harjan, no apologies needed for the last lap deal.  The last lap is
the
> > time
> > > to let it all hang out.

> > > My anticipation for the ras event would be for everyone to draft and
> > follow
> > > in qual order except for mistakes until after the fuel interval.  It
> would
> > > have been great if we could have run green until after the pit stop
and
> > then
> > > the last bit of the race we could have raced hard.  It did not happen
> > > anything like that.  From lap 1 people were forcing passes and racing
> > crazy.
> > > It looked to me like you got a jump on the field on the restart after
> the
> > > first caution and you went high and passed or attempted to pass in a
> > > dangerous manner.  Then after getting behind me with that maneuver,
you
> > > passed me after the second yellow came out.  This was the start of my
> > > confusion about passing under caution.

> > > I made my share of mistakes at 'dega too.  I passed under caution too
> and
> > > then saw the leaders slowing well before the s/f line so I slowed too
> but
> > > did not give back the positions I gained.  I also was involved in an
> > > incident on the back stretch going 3 wide with a lapped car in the
> middle.
> > > My apologies for my transgressions.

> > > Congrats to Zugzug for*** on to win after the cautions.  Congrats
> to
> > > Grandy for second. I'm still not sure that early pit stop would have
> given
> > > you enough gas if it would have gone green the whole way?  Didn't you
> need
> > > 53 laps after your stop?  I wish the 53 green flag laps would have
> > happened
> > > so you could have demonstrated the outcome.  As it turned out, even
the
> > guys
> > > that stopped real early (21+55=76)? had plenty of fuel because of the
> > > yellows?

> > > Sorry I had to bolt after the race, the kids had been begging for
dinner
> > > since 6:00.  The race was longer that I wanted it to be.

> > > --
> > > Robert Huggins

> > > > My apologies #328.

> I think I need a clarification on the rules, because what I did
positioning
> my car on the low lane is that jumping the start? I was doing 70 all the
> time waiting for the green flag and wouldn't have passed you before the
> finish even if I had the chance. The reason I was driving low was just to
> show my present and hoping that I could affect you and the other guys in
> front by doing that. Because I know the entire lap would be run low, and I
> hoped to create some confusion.

> On the first restart my reaction time was quite a bit better than the guys
> in front of me, I hadn't left a gap to get a run on the guys in front. I
was
> just quicker.

> About racing to the flag, just do it. It's tense and it creates a lot of
> confusion when you don't do it. I really see no reason not to do it.

> > I had plenty of fuel according to the fuel guage. Tires were a bit of an
> > issue since I had stopped earlier but car felt fine. On that last
restart
> I
> > saw harjan was going to try to get a run and pass me low into one and
I'm
> > not a big fan of jumping the restarts so I just went low with him. I
think
> > that may have put you to the outside of him. It was pretty good racing
up
> > front but there are some thaat need to find a little patience and the
> racing
> > will be much better.

> > --
> > Mike Grandy
> > www.precision-racing.com


> > > Harjan, no apologies needed for the last lap deal.  The last lap is
the
> > time
> > > to let it all hang out.

> > > My anticipation for the ras event would be for everyone to draft and
> > follow
> > > in qual order except for mistakes until after the fuel interval.  It
> would
> > > have been great if we could have run green until after the pit stop
and
> > then
> > > the last bit of the race we could have raced hard.  It did not happen
> > > anything like that.  From lap 1 people were forcing passes and racing
> > crazy.
> > > It looked to me like you got a jump on the field on the restart after
> the
> > > first caution and you went high and passed or attempted to pass in a
> > > dangerous manner.  Then after getting behind me with that maneuver,
you
> > > passed me after the second yellow came out.  This was the start of my
> > > confusion about passing under caution.

> > > I made my share of mistakes at 'dega too.  I passed under caution too
> and
> > > then saw the leaders slowing well before the s/f line so I slowed too
> but
> > > did not give back the positions I gained.  I also was involved in an
> > > incident on the back stretch going 3 wide with a lapped car in the
> middle.
> > > My apologies for my transgressions.

> > > Congrats to Zugzug for*** on to win after the cautions.  Congrats
> to
> > > Grandy for second. I'm still not sure that early pit stop would have
> given
> > > you enough gas if it would have gone green the whole way?  Didn't you
> need
> > > 53 laps after your stop?  I wish the 53 green flag laps would have
> > happened
> > > so you could have demonstrated the outcome.  As it turned out, even
the
> > guys
> > > that stopped real early (21+55=76)? had plenty of fuel because of the
> > > yellows?

> > > Sorry I had to bolt after the race, the kids had been begging for
dinner
> > > since 6:00.  The race was longer that I wanted it to be.

> > > --
> > > Robert Huggins

> > > > My apologies #328.

>      We spent most of the race trying to get the lap back and, fortunately
> for topper and myself, we were allowed to by Mike Grandy (who sacrificed
his
> lead I think) and please tell me who else. Thanks again guys. It made the
> end of our race much more enjoyable.

> spark18

> > The thing that pissed me off is that a bunch of people wrecked on the
> > caution lap just before the green came out, and at least three of us got
> > black-flagged for passing low to gain a position or some such nonsense.
> > It was either avoid/pass the wreck or get caught up in it.

> > We got screwed because someone was driving with his head up his ass.

> >      That's correct. It was John, topper and myself that got black
flagged
> > and lost a lap for passing some cars that spun right before the line
under
> > the yellow early in the race.

> >      We spent most of the race trying to get the lap back and,
fortunately
> > for topper and myself, we were allowed to by Mike Grandy (who sacrificed
> his
> > lead I think) and please tell me who else. Thanks again guys. It made
the
> > end of our race much more enjoyable.

> Mike Grandy was leading and I was in second when you got your lap back. I
> don't think he lost the lead. I did get passed for second and almost ran
> over by another car though. Did John Simmons get spun by someone when he
was
> trying to get his lap back at the same time? I thought I saw a car go
> spinning down low coming back to take the caution. It was tough trying to
be
> nice and give everyone their lap back and not get ran over in the process.

> Kyle

> --
> Mike Grandy
> www.precision-racing.com


>>      That's correct. It was John, topper and myself that got black
>>      flagged
>> and lost a lap for passing some cars that spun right before the line
>> under the yellow early in the race.

>>      We spent most of the race trying to get the lap back and,
>>      fortunately
>> for topper and myself, we were allowed to by Mike Grandy (who
>> sacrificed
> his
>> lead I think) and please tell me who else. Thanks again guys. It made
>> the end of our race much more enjoyable.

>> spark18

>> > The thing that pissed me off is that a bunch of people wrecked on the
>> > caution lap just before the green came out, and at least three of us
>> > got black-flagged for passing low to gain a position or some such
>> > nonsense. It was either avoid/pass the wreck or get caught up in it.

>> > We got screwed because someone was driving with his head up his ass.

> --
> Mike Grandy
> www.precision-racing.com


> > IHMO, dump-drafting online is for idiots (no offence).  It's very
> hazardous
> > and the possilbe gain from it is microscopic..  It should be "outlawed"
> > imho.. :-)

> > --
> > ed_

> > "Mike Grandy" said:
> > > This model is much easier to bump draft with. The key to bump drafting
> > I've
> > > found is when you do bump the front driver if he lets go of the wheel
at
> > the
> > > exact second of impact and  if his car is misaligned he won't over
> > correct,
> > > which is why most people wreck.

> >About racing to the flag, just do it. It's tense and it creates a lot of
> >confusion when you don't do it. I really see no reason not to do it.

> There are pro's and con's on both sides of the issue. Yesterday it
> created a number of multicar crashes that could have been avoided,
> simply because everyone thinks when cars are spinning in front of you,
> this is your opportunity to make up some positions. This isn't the way
> Nascar handles it, because lives are on the line. I would consider
> "racing back to the yellow" ok when the track is clear and you are in
> contention with another driver. Trying to thread your way through
> spinning cars with the throttle full bore is just crazy though. As
> long as we're all on the same page though, I'll live with what's
> decided.

>                   Tim Wortman
>       North American Simulation Series
>                www.nasscar.com

> --
> Mike Grandy
> www.precision-racing.com

> > I think I need a clarification on the rules, because what I did
> positioning
> > my car on the low lane is that jumping the start? I was doing 70 all the
> > time waiting for the green flag and wouldn't have passed you before the
> > finish even if I had the chance. The reason I was driving low was just
to
> > show my present and hoping that I could affect you and the other guys in
> > front by doing that. Because I know the entire lap would be run low, and
I
> > hoped to create some confusion.

> > On the first restart my reaction time was quite a bit better than the
guys
> > in front of me, I hadn't left a gap to get a run on the guys in front. I
> was
> > just quicker.

> > About racing to the flag, just do it. It's tense and it creates a lot of
> > confusion when you don't do it. I really see no reason not to do it.

> > > I had plenty of fuel according to the fuel guage. Tires were a bit of
an
> > > issue since I had stopped earlier but car felt fine. On that last
> restart
> > I
> > > saw harjan was going to try to get a run and pass me low into one and
> I'm
> > > not a big fan of jumping the restarts so I just went low with him. I
> think
> > > that may have put you to the outside of him. It was pretty good racing
> up
> > > front but there are some thaat need to find a little patience and the
> > racing
> > > will be much better.

> > > --
> > > Mike Grandy
> > > www.precision-racing.com


> > > > Harjan, no apologies needed for the last lap deal.  The last lap is
> the
> > > time
> > > > to let it all hang out.

> > > > My anticipation for the ras event would be for everyone to draft and
> > > follow
> > > > in qual order except for mistakes until after the fuel interval.  It
> > would
> > > > have been great if we could have run green until after the pit stop
> and
> > > then
> > > > the last bit of the race we could have raced hard.  It did not
happen
> > > > anything like that.  From lap 1 people were forcing passes and
racing
> > > crazy.
> > > > It looked to me like you got a jump on the field on the restart
after
> > the
> > > > first caution and you went high and passed or attempted to pass in a
> > > > dangerous manner.  Then after getting behind me with that maneuver,
> you
> > > > passed me after the second yellow came out.  This was the start of
my
> > > > confusion about passing under caution.

> > > > I made my share of mistakes at 'dega too.  I passed under caution
too
> > and
> > > > then saw the leaders slowing well before the s/f line so I slowed
too
> > but
> > > > did not give back the positions I gained.  I also was involved in an
> > > > incident on the back stretch going 3 wide with a lapped car in the
> > middle.
> > > > My apologies for my transgressions.

> > > > Congrats to Zugzug for*** on to win after the cautions.
Congrats
> > to
> > > > Grandy for second. I'm still not sure that early pit stop would have
> > given
> > > > you enough gas if it would have gone green the whole way?  Didn't
you
> > need
> > > > 53 laps after your stop?  I wish the 53 green flag laps would have
> > > happened
> > > > so you could have demonstrated the outcome.  As it turned out, even
> the
> > > guys
> > > > that stopped real early (21+55=76)? had plenty of fuel because of
the
> > > > yellows?

> > > > Sorry I had to bolt after the race, the kids had been begging for
> dinner
> > > > since 6:00.  The race was longer that I wanted it to be.

> > > > --
> > > > Robert Huggins

> > > > > My apologies #328.