rec.autos.simulators

Do the words "non sequitur" mean anything to you?  The group is
rec.autos.simulators; the game is CART Precision Racing.  Furthermore, I know
you have enough clues left in your little bag to realize the two games you
mentioned have native 3dfx support.  CPR does not...  So, exactly what the hell
is your point?

Hold on, I think I know...   I'll just say what you're dying to say, but you
don't realize it: If you can only buy one 3D card and you want it to run as
many sims as possible, as fast as possible, buy a 3dfx card!  I completely
agree with this!  Our views are not that divergent.  The difference is that I
recognize that there are better cards for D3D games and I don't feel it
necessary to bash people who point this out!  Similarly, if you want to attack
Microsoft for sticking with the D3D standard I would also be on your side.  It
makes me ill that CPR is essentially a MS product which, I suspect, has no
chance of ever seeing 3dfx support, though it might happen when TRI's contract
expires.  But, like it or not, it uses D3D, and when you bash people who
suggest a good D3D card to play this sim you just come across as a complete
3dfx sycophant.

Sean

Besides, I've been following the whole argument of image quality, and
frankly, those arguments are old and worthless at this point.  The
early problems observed with image quality on Riva boards were either
due to drivers or early versions of D3D games which didn't exploit its
capabilities.  You can find a lot of 3DFX fans hooting that Riva
doesn't support transparency (wrong), fog tables (wrong), or that you
couldn't deactivate its auto-mip-map generation (wrong).

Well, it just demonstrates that what flies in the UK doesn't always
fly here.  At any rate, its not so important how or why these cards
get into the machines, simply that they do, they are great cards, and
the software industry has taken notice.

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
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Hm, don't know what to tell you.  I bought a Dell P300 rather than a
Gateway, and have had no such problems, and as a reviewer I get a lot
of games to run.

I could grab a used 3DFX for about a hundred bucks but I'm kind of
waiting around to see how long its going to take Voodoo2 to come out.

Randy

Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
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And read my reply on it.  And by the way, if one user comes up and
responds that they can't get their 3DFX to work well in their machine,
do YOU automatically say "ah that must mean the 3DFX sucks"?  Is that
what your implication is because one person said they couldn't get it
to work?  Has it occurred to you that it could be his GATEWAY?

Randy

Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
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http://www.digitalsports.com

The reason that Riva and Rendition will continue to do well is because
they are both fast AND inexpensive.

Okay, I will. There is a Riva patch on the Janes web site right now.
Seems the people at Janes aren't as stubborn as many 3DFX fans think
they are.  Shoulda checked their web site first, buddy.

This sounds a lot like.  Islam is the obvious only true religion and I
am constantly amazed at the clueless who don't get it.    Here's a tip
for you, Greg.  Find out which direction 3DFX is from where you live
and bow down and pray in that direction 3 times a day :).

The Voodoo chipset has been surpassed by the current crop of video
accelerators. That's a fact.  The voodoo 2 is NOT here yet.  That's a
fact. When it DOES show up, it will be priced as expensively as the
original Voodoo was upon its release.  Thats a fact.  And many
software vendors who were previously 3DFX or bust are now doing D3D
versions of their stuff because simple market economics dictate that
3DFX's relative slice of the pie is nowhere near the monopoly guys
like you think it is.

Perhaps some people just prefer to make up their own mind about what
kind of board they want and how much they want to spend on it.  About
the only downside to not having a 3DFX right NOW is that most of the
demos these days seem to be 3DFX-only at first, even if the finished
product will be both D3D and 3DFX.

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

Joe

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Ya, if you can get games written for them.

Why whould I check their web site for a Riva patch for LB2? I would
be surprised if it worked as good as 3dfx does, but I hope it does.
LB2 is a great game.

OK no problem.

Surpassed at what? Direct3D my a few percentage points? Wow.
Like Sean explained very well in his last post, I am looking for the
largest support base with the fastest possible speed.

It would not surprise me if some marketing genius screwed the situation
like you explain.

How good is F1RS without 3dfx? F1RS has D3D and 3dfx support that
should prove your point. Anyone who reads about F1RS in this NG knows
that the D3D version is not up to the performance of the 3dfx version. Could
that have a little to do with your review of F1RS? You did give the
impression
that it would not be a review equal to the current popular opinion in this
NG. I
expect no less frankly.

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The only foolish statement here was the one you just made.

And as far as your allegation that I'm engaging in "religious
anti-3DFX evangelizing",  I just have to laugh.  Nothing like trying
to apply the reverse of your own motivations to other people.  I'm not
anti-3DFX at all.  I have no beef with anyone who wants to get one.
Its a great board and its advantages are well known.  What *is* funny
is how anyone who even raises the possibility of another board being a
good purchase is ridiculed and mocked by people like you.  I'm not
against 3DFX, but I'm also not against nVidia, Rendition, NEC, Matrox
or anyone else who produces  a great board.  Its people like YOU that
have a problem with anyone else even considering anything other than
3DFX, and its people like YOU who are doing the religious evangelizing
"(THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.  ITS NAME IS 3DFX.  BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP
BEFORE THE 3DFX GODS.  IF YOU DO NOT YOU WILL BE RIDICULED AS THE
CLUELESS HEATHEN THAT YOU ARE.  EITHER ENDORSE 3DFX OR ENDURE OUR
WRATH.  WE REFUSE TO EVEN CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE IS
ANYTHING OTHER THAN 3DFX.  TO SAY OTHERWISE IS HERESY.  BEGONE, YE
DOGS OF RIVA AND RENDITION AND POWERVR.  WE CAST YOU INTO THE FIERY
LAKE OF IGNORANCE AND CLUELESSNESS TO BURN FOR ALL ETERNITY.   SHOW
YOUR FACE IN THE NEWSGROUPS NO MORE!).    The preceding is satirical
of course, but we're only a few notches away from hearing it from
people like you, given the scorn you've heaped on anyone who provides
anything less than religious single-minded loyalty to your favorite
brand.

So next time you have the urge to accuse me of religiously
evangelizing anti-3DFX, look in the mirror first and ask yourself if
the problem is simply that you are doing the exact opposite.

Randy

Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Joe

Questions anyone?

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Facts? I have probably forgotten more about flightsims than you know.
Andy Hollis has stated that the Riva version won't be up to the 3dfx
version in performance. What is available now is a Alpha patch which
does not use all of the features of the Riva, it is up in the air if it ever
will. It is not quite the back pedal you seem to want to believe. In other
words the Riva version is no where near the 3dfx version. Today that
is a fact.

Name a rendition app. Duh, like ICR2? N2 without bilinear filtering
or is it Z buffering which is lacking...

Well since you need a 2D card with 3dfx the Rendition + 3dfx combo
might get the most oomph.

I agree in principal. However the D3D versions of these games *ARE
NEVER* as fast or good as the 3dfx version. Sorry.

Try several developers. Flying Corps is supposedly D3D but only
sings with a 3dfx card.

It is.

up to the performance of the 3dfx version. Could
current popular opinion in this

Hey no problem at all. Any time I can help just let me know :-)

Uh oh.

No kidding. You mean like the black sky? I was getting this with my 3dfx
when I loaded a savegame.

Unless it affects framerate or other visuals which are key to the overall
immersion of the sim.

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