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by **M. Connoll** » Thu, 01 Feb 2001 20:17:50

Hi,

I use a P3-500, 64MB, V3, SB Live & LWFF for GPL. The system seems fast enough
to run with most "goodies" on, but I'm living with some annoying glitches.

From the beginning I was suffering texture corruption - usually a "snowy" track
or terrain. At first I assumed this was just a driver issue and I upgraded a
few times from 3dfxgamer.com

But the problem persists. Right now I'm using the retail release for the V3
from last November (I think) - I quit upgrading the driver as it didn't seem to
make any difference. The problem comes and goes - seems most frequent at Spa for
some reason.

I also get screen freezes, especially during VROC races (and usually on the
last lap!). I am always careful to kill all background apps, but of course it
could be swapfile related.

I'm happy with my frame rates but I'm losing patience with these glitches, and
am seriously considering splashing out on a V5 in an effort to solve them. I
love GPL track graphics and it seems a shame to switch them off!

Am I "thinking wrong"? Would an upgrade to 128MB RAM help? Will I get the best
out of a V5 with a P500? Am I paying $150 just for FSAA? Is it a driver thing
after all?

Your advice would be appreciated.

Michael.

by **Sébastien Tixie** » Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:00:23

Well, i can't help for your freezes, but if you have to upgrade i recomand you a
GeForce + D3D Patch, that is IMO the best solution , very good gfx and constant
36fps with every thing on ( Athlon 600+GeForce DDR ).

regards,

"M. Connolly" a crit :

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by **Laurence Wilme** » Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:09:52

"Upgrade to 128Mb"?
RAM is so cheap now that an upgrade to (at least) 256Mb must be the
first thing to do for any cost-effective upgrade, surely?
Espec. if any suspicion of swapfile pauses.

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by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 01 Feb 2001 23:38:53

Sometimes we have to ask VERY basic questions. I apologize if this has
already been covered. Have you updated GPL to the v1.21? The patch is
available at www.papy.com and somebody in another thread posted a direct
link to that patch.
dave henrie

by **Simon Brow** » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 00:10:07

That's a pretty unusual problem to be having with GPL, particularly on a V3.
There are definitely lots of V3 drivers out there that run GPL flawlessly,
which suggests maybe it's not the drivers. If you have a non-intel chipset
motherboard (say VIA or something) then it could be the AGP drivers, or it
could be faulty RAM, or even a faulty video card or motherboard. That's
just guess work though, I certainly wouldn't go throwing money at the
problem until you're sure what's wrong.

I don't suppose you can try the suspect parts in another PC can you? That's
the only way to be sure.

Really, theres loads of things that could cause this kind of problem. I
presume you aren't overclocking either the video card, CPU, or AGP slot.
And check you haven't got any old glide files*** around in your GPL
folder, except the one that should be there.

Maybe it would be worth trying a fresh install of GPL (in a new folder so
you don't lose your current install) ? Lastly if your current V3 drivers
support HSR (hidden surface removal) then turn it off.

by **M. Connoll** » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 00:08:32

Yes, it's been patched from Day 1. An earlier poster pointed out that a RAM
upgrade is a no-brainer these days, and that's undoubtedly true.

I just can't see how that's going to help with the texture problems. I'm
guessing that the 16MB on the V3 is more of a limitation in this regard. Am I
wrong?

M

by **M. Connoll** » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 00:45:44

Nope - Dell system couldn't be more Wintel-compliant (obsequious?)

Possible, but with 64MB I'd expect to see problems elsewhere

...couldn't agree more ;-)

Not an option (at the moment anyway)

Nope, though I have suspected overheating from time to time. Problems seem
more pronounced the longer I spend at the wheel. Maybe I'll try running it
with the cover off. CTTOI, I should check that the V3 fan is working...

Thank you very much for taking the time to respond.

Michael.

by **Mika Takal** » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 02:26:32

Just install the George Smiley's Glide'o'matic from www.gplea.org .

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by **Laurence Wilme** » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 02:24:08

"Dave says...

> > Sometimes we have to ask VERY basic questions. I apologize if
this has
> >already been covered. Have you updated GPL to the v1.21? The
patch is
> >available at www.papy.com and somebody in another thread posted a
direct
> >link to that patch.

> Yes, it's been patched from Day 1. An earlier poster pointed out
that a RAM
> upgrade is a no-brainer these days, and that's undoubtedly true.

> I just can't see how that's going to help with the texture problems.
I'm
> guessing that the 16MB on the V3 is more of a limitation in this
regard. Am I
> wrong?

> M

(From the earlier poster)
I know I don't properly understand it, but I _think_ the VGA memory is
mapped into your main memory (and that's what the Aperture Size
setting is in BIOS?).
So if you've got less than 128M now (64M?), then 16M of that is
unavailable to you as its used for graphics. Sort of. I think.
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by **Simon Brow** » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 03:23:24

There's no way that having a 16MB card is affecting GPL in any way. GPL
runs perfectly on a 16MB V3. It also runs perfectly on a 12MB V2. It even
runs, although slowly, on a 4 MB V1. And lack of texture memory would only
ever effect speed, it would never cause corruption of textures.

says...

> > Sometimes we have to ask VERY basic questions. I apologize if this has
> >already been covered. Have you updated GPL to the v1.21? The patch is
> >available at www.papy.com and somebody in another thread posted a direct
> >link to that patch.

> Yes, it's been patched from Day 1. An earlier poster pointed out that a
RAM
> upgrade is a no-brainer these days, and that's undoubtedly true.

> I just can't see how that's going to help with the texture problems. I'm
> guessing that the 16MB on the V3 is more of a limitation in this regard.
Am I
> wrong?

> M

by **bph..** » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 03:49:23

Mine is a PII-350 w/64mb ram, V3-3000AGP, SB Live and I dont
have these problems. I run gpl at 1024 and have the replay
memory set to 20000. I'm using July 99 drivers for the
V3. So I doubt it is a ram or driver issue. Make sure
the glide settings are all off and the image quality is at
auto in 3fdx tweaks. Dont know if it matters but I have
the desktop set to 16 bit hi color. An overheated V3 will
cause texture corruption so trying it with the cover off is
a good idea. My card seemed to run hot so I added a card
cooler and a slot fan.

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by **Roger Squire** » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 04:53:38

V3 texture corruption is completely fixed with the "GPL Override = 1"
glide.ini wrapper option. This also eliminates the endless mode-switching
when going from track to menus. Don't forget the mirrorupdate=2 for
framerate boost. Download it, Use it, Love it!

rms

by **Jim Teste** » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 06:23:43

"Roger Squires" wrote

Hey Roger...where can I find this work of wonder?
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by **Eldre** » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 07:21:51

>Mine is a PII-350 w/64mb ram, V3-3000AGP, SB Live and I dont
>have these problems. I run gpl at 1024 and have the replay
>memory set to 20000. I'm using July 99 drivers for the
>V3. So I doubt it is a ram or driver issue. Make sure
>the glide settings are all off and the image quality is at
>auto in 3fdx tweaks. Dont know if it matters but I have
>the desktop set to 16 bit hi color. An overheated V3 will
>cause texture corruption so trying it with the cover off is
>a good idea. My card seemed to run hot so I added a card
>cooler and a slot fan.

What type of framerate do you get, with which graphics options? Your system is
slower than mine, and I'm looking for a comparison..

Eldred

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by **Simon Brow** » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 07:38:43

True, but GPL patch 1.2 also fixes the same problem, and MC said he's
running 1.2.

> V3 texture corruption is completely fixed with the "GPL Override = 1"
> glide.ini wrapper option. This also eliminates the endless mode-switching
> when going from track to menus. Don't forget the mirrorupdate=2 for
> framerate boost. Download it, Use it, Love it!

> rms

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