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Ian

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by Ian » Fri, 17 May 2002 05:51:27

It was for 1 race (Brazil), and they only had 1 car available.
They had to risk trying the F2002 (even though they were unsure of it's
reliability) because they believed F 2001 wasn't fast enough.

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Ronald Stoeh

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by Ronald Stoeh » Sun, 19 May 2002 02:28:45




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>> Also, any political system invented by humans had a command structure,
>> and any future system (should it be invented) will have it, too... ;)

> Agreed.  But when laws/orders are *wrong*, will you comply anyways? That
> would be hard to respect.  Guess the anarchist in me doesn't understand
> such thinking.

Well, you can have your morals and ethical standards. If my boss orders
me to do things that are not illegal (punishable by law) but I just don't
want to do them, I have not option but to quit.

Clearly MS and RB were not ordered to do something illegal, but something
that is the basis for any team sport.

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by David Ewin » Sun, 19 May 2002 04:37:44


> Remember how MS broke his leg, and Eddie takes charge.  At Hockenheimring, a
> Mercedes track if there ever was one, Eddie storms through the field and
> wins...

Hakkinen was leading this race when his tyre delaminated.

Irvine didn't storm through the field to win.  Mika Salo, who was Michael
Schumacher's replacement while MS was recovering from the broken leg, was then
leading the race and he pulled over to let Irvine win, following team orders!!!
And why did they want Irvine to win instead of Salo? Because they wanted Irvine
to win the championship, obviously.

The next race was Hungary. Irvine was nowhere near a point to clinching the
title - there were six  races left in the season (Hungary, Spa, Nurburgring,
Monza,  Malaysia, and Suzuka).  I have no idea what you're talking about
regarding the "missing pieces".

Mika never took command of the driving championship points. Irvine held the
lead going into the last race of the season.

Schumacher returned for the Malaysian Grand Prix, the penultimate race of the
year.  You surely remember that he was leading the race when he, yes you
guessed it, pulled over for Irvine following team orders, then held up Hakkinen
giving Irvine the win and the championship lead going into the final race.

Both Ferraris were subsequently DQ'ed because of some pieces on their car being
out of spec.  Ferrari then successfully appealed to the FIA and got the result
reinstated.  Why would they do this if they wanted Irvine to lose?

And MS didn't drive away at Suzuka, Hakkinen won the race, which gave him the
championship.

No, the gist is not there.  Here you imply that Ferrari didn't want Irvine to
win the championship.  Ferrari clearly wanted Irvine to win the championship
once Schumacher was injured and used team orders twice gifting Irvine wins to
achieve that aim.

While I am furious at Ferrari (and I am a fan of both Ferrari and Schumacher)
for what they did to Barrichello, this has nothing to do with them wanting
Schumacher (in particular) to win races.  They want the driver with the best
chance of winning (obviously Schumacher now and Irvine in the latter stages of
1999) to maximize his points so that he will win the championship.

You will also recall last year, after Schumacher clinched the driver's title
and the team clinched the constructor's, that Schumacher drove in support of
Barrichello, because Ferrari wanted RB to maximize his points so that he would
finish second in the championship (for example, Schumacher let RB by early in
the race at Indy).

Dave Ewing

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by Dave Henri » Tue, 21 May 2002 00:12:09

"David Ewing" <

  Well as usual I couldn't find the Irvine quote I was looking for...only a
vague reference to getting the car back to being as good before the
Nurb/Euro race.  Not the proof I wanted so I'll not press the issue.
  I did see tho, that the Jaguar announcement was made with several races to
go in the season.  Maybe my memory is suffering the effects of too many
virtual crashes...but I just didn't get the feeling Irvine had the full
backing of Ferrari when it really counted...oh well.
  :)  I'm sure this won't be the last time I'm trounced by facts! :)
dave henrie

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