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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:40:33

Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was
plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out.

And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because
the back of my car got pushed in.

To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we
exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry
to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded
a move to the end of the longest line penalty.

My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE
***ING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was
telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing
under the ***ing yellow.

Then, on one of the restarts, the 98 car hit me AGAIN, and backed me
into the outside wall in turn 1.

I finished laps down in 8th or 9th place. I don't mind finishing in 8th
or 9th place, but it really torques me to be laps down, ESPECIALLY when
it's not my fault.

Opinion: Single file restarts don't do squat for us. All it does is
keep lapped cars from regaining a lap. Other than that, it's just like
running double-file restarts. Caution-after-***in-caution.

I think a lot of folks need to practice. A LOT! You can't come to ANY
of these tracks cold - the fast setup is just too twitchy when you're
not used to it. I think the fast setups are just fine as LONG AS YOU
PRACTICE!

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by **RHinN** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:12:43

I enjoyed the race until I spun, got a lap down. With no chance of getting
my lap back and the lightening popping outside it was time to retire. This
was my first race with RASCAR, other than the single file restarts all went
well with the race. Except my part in it..lol.

by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:57:24

???

Anyone is free to look at the replay and look at lap 21 in the pits with
John and I.

John, whatever you did there was nothing to do with me. I exited my stall
calmly and immediatley moved to the outside of the pit lane in order to give
you plent of room. No hurry by me. I simply got up to the speed limit. I
didn't even spin my tires at all. You did though. You also moved into the
ouside lane a little and squeezed me. Once I crossed the line just ahead of
you I maintained my speed and stayed to the right without altering my line.
You moved from the inside and crossed behind me to the outside and out onto
the track instead of just falling in behind me and calmly following me out
onto the track and into the pace line. There was plenty of time after we
crossed the line to just fall in behind me before the lane narrowed.

I thought my exit from the pits was text book considering your position to
me.

David G Fisher

by **jon** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:20:44

No, I listened to my spotter. Had a computer lockup, had to reboot, and
re-entered the race. Soon as I hit the Drive button, it put me in the pits
and promptly gave me a end of longest line penalty for entering a closed
pit. Sign said GO at end of pit lane, I pulled out and got alongside pace
line, and spotter told me to stay behind ? car. Got behind it. Two more come
up. Says "let em by". I do. You come up. Spotter went crazy from there,
saying "pass the 43 car". Kept saying that til we went green. Somewhere I
may have screwed up, thereby causing this little snafu, but it wasn't
ingnoring my spotter that caused it.

by **jon** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:20:44

No, I listened to my spotter. Had a computer lockup, had to reboot, and
re-entered the race. Soon as I hit the Drive button, it put me in the pits
and promptly gave me a end of longest line penalty for entering a closed
pit. Sign said GO at end of pit lane, I pulled out and got alongside pace
line, and spotter told me to stay behind ? car. Got behind it. Two more come
up. Says "let em by". I do. You come up. Spotter went crazy from there,
saying "pass the 43 car". Kept saying that til we went green. Somewhere I
may have screwed up, thereby causing this little snafu, but it wasn't
ingnoring my spotter that caused it.

by **Larr** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:21:39

John,

I assure you that you that I did not target you today :)

On the first incident, I hardly had any options. The restart commenced, and
out of no where Neil lost his Throttle spring right in front of me. I
commited high, and was on the brakes, but there just wasn't enough time to
avoid it. The upper lane closed off on me and that was that.

It wasn't intentional. Shit happens, throttle springs break.

As for pushing up a bit and making contact in turn 1, I apologized for that
on-track, after the race, and here in another thread. I was fighting with
slower cars at the restart, went into turn 1 a little unstable, and pushed
up a bit.

Sorry again.

-Larry

by **Larr** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:23:21

I saw this one from behind. I was saying to myself "Get down out of there
John or you'll get a BF!".

-Larry

> > Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was
> > plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out.

> > And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because
> > the back of my car got pushed in.

> > To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we
> > exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry
> > to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded
> > a move to the end of the longest line penalty.

> ???

> Anyone is free to look at the replay and look at lap 21 in the pits with
> John and I.

> John, whatever you did there was nothing to do with me. I exited my stall
> calmly and immediatley moved to the outside of the pit lane in order to
give
> you plent of room. No hurry by me. I simply got up to the speed limit. I
> didn't even spin my tires at all. You did though. You also moved into the
> ouside lane a little and squeezed me. Once I crossed the line just ahead
of
> you I maintained my speed and stayed to the right without altering my
line.
> You moved from the inside and crossed behind me to the outside and out
onto
> the track instead of just falling in behind me and calmly following me out
> onto the track and into the pace line. There was plenty of time after we
> crossed the line to just fall in behind me before the lane narrowed.

> I thought my exit from the pits was text book considering your position to
> me.

> David G Fisher

by **John Simmon** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:06:50

> > Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was
> > plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out.

> > And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because
> > the back of my car got pushed in.

> > To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we
> > exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry
> > to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded
> > a move to the end of the longest line penalty.

> ???

> Anyone is free to look at the replay and look at lap 21 in the pits with
> John and I.

> John, whatever you did there was nothing to do with me. I exited my stall
> calmly and immediatley moved to the outside of the pit lane in order to give
> you plent of room. No hurry by me. I simply got up to the speed limit. I
> didn't even spin my tires at all. You did though. You also moved into the
> ouside lane a little and squeezed me. Once I crossed the line just ahead of
> you I maintained my speed and stayed to the right without altering my line.
> You moved from the inside and crossed behind me to the outside and out onto
> the track instead of just falling in behind me and calmly following me out
> onto the track and into the pace line. There was plenty of time after we
> crossed the line to just fall in behind me before the lane narrowed.

> I thought my exit from the pits was text book considering your position to
> me.

> David G Fisher

I wasn't blaming you for anything, I just figured that you'd keep a
brisk pace as you exited the pits and you didn't. To avoid punting you,
I went up onto the track.

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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:09:20

says...

Yeah I know, I got screwed in the throttle spring thing and it went to
shit from there. I told everyone before I left that I was pissed off at
how it turned out.

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by **Bamada** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:12:08

I was so pissed off after getting run over by somebody I never heard of on lap
2 or 3 I just disconnected before I said something about it. Rules on flamin ya
know :( Never even got a sorry or *** you or anything. Sorry for being part
of the first yellow but this cat didnt even slow for turn 3 and hit me square
in the ass putting me in the wall and ending my day.
Dan

by **lee.ward** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:25:03

I had the same type of thing else where. Glenn Read's (#58) spotter was
telling him to let me (#48) by as he had to go to the end of the longest
line for merging too early, but my spotter wasn't telling me to pass him. So
every time he slowed down, I slowed down. Eventually Glenn told me to pass
him using chat, so I did.

The reason I know this is because Glenn & I talked about it on the phone
afterwards.

So it looks like there may be a bit of a bug in N2002

Lee

> > My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE
> > ***ING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was
> > telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing
> > under the ***ing yellow.

> No, I listened to my spotter. Had a computer lockup, had to reboot, and
> re-entered the race. Soon as I hit the Drive button, it put me in the pits
> and promptly gave me a end of longest line penalty for entering a closed
> pit. Sign said GO at end of pit lane, I pulled out and got alongside pace
> line, and spotter told me to stay behind ? car. Got behind it. Two more
come
> up. Says "let em by". I do. You come up. Spotter went crazy from there,
> saying "pass the 43 car". Kept saying that til we went green. Somewhere I
> may have screwed up, thereby causing this little snafu, but it wasn't
> ingnoring my spotter that caused it.

by **Neil Charlto** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:12:52

I caused some ***there, didn't I. Sorry guys.

Worst things was, I was starting to feel fed up with all the early yellows
as I was well on the pace and was eager to get into a fight with Ging who
had moved up to one behind me. I also remember thinking 'Thank God I qualled
well up so as to avoid all the mess continually going on behind'. You don't
expect the leading pack to***the restart. Errr ....

When the spring went I tried to hook the sole of the magic racing slippers
under the pedal plate to get some rudimentary control to take it safely up
into the wall and out of the way. Couldn't do it and such a sudden slowing
left the other fast guys like Larry and John with nowhere to go. My BRD
pedals have arrived and as I do 4 league races from Fri to Mon I thought I'd
fit them and practise on them next week. Guess tonight's HOG race will be on
a new pedal system :)

Sorry again - If I could've done differently, I would.

> John,

> I assure you that you that I did not target you today :)

> On the first incident, I hardly had any options. The restart commenced,
and
> out of no where Neil lost his Throttle spring right in front of me. I
> commited high, and was on the brakes, but there just wasn't enough time to
> avoid it. The upper lane closed off on me and that was that.

> It wasn't intentional. Shit happens, throttle springs break.

> As for pushing up a bit and making contact in turn 1, I apologized for
that
> on-track, after the race, and here in another thread. I was fighting with
> slower cars at the restart, went into turn 1 a little unstable, and pushed
> up a bit.

> Sorry again.

> -Larry

> > Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was
> > plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out.

> > And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because
> > the back of my car got pushed in.

> > To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we
> > exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry
> > to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded
> > a move to the end of the longest line penalty.

> > My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE
> > ***ING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was
> > telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing
> > under the ***ing yellow.

> > Then, on one of the restarts, the 98 car hit me AGAIN, and backed me
> > into the outside wall in turn 1.

> > I finished laps down in 8th or 9th place. I don't mind finishing in 8th
> > or 9th place, but it really torques me to be laps down, ESPECIALLY when
> > it's not my fault.

> > Opinion: Single file restarts don't do squat for us. All it does is
> > keep lapped cars from regaining a lap. Other than that, it's just like
> > running double-file restarts. Caution-after-***in-caution.

> > I think a lot of folks need to practice. A LOT! You can't come to ANY
> > of these tracks cold - the fast setup is just too twitchy when you're
> > not used to it. I think the fast setups are just fine as LONG AS YOU
> > PRACTICE!

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:03:59

>I was so pissed off after getting run over by somebody I never heard of on
>lap
>2 or 3 I just disconnected before I said something about it. Rules on flamin
>ya
>know :( Never even got a sorry or *** you or anything. Sorry for being part
>of the first yellow but this cat didnt even slow for turn 3 and hit me square
>in the ass putting me in the wall and ending my day.

I was surprised to see you disconnect so quickly. I got fed up with the
constant yellows, and lack of sleep was catching up with me. So, I quit during
the 4th(5th?) yellow flag.

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by **Bamada** » Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:06:47

I guess I should have explained why I disconnected but was to mad. This was the
first time I was so blatantly taken out without so much as a comment. I should
have thanked you for hosting as I usually do Eldred. I really do appreciate it.
Sorry your day ended early as well. We usually run pretty close together :)
Dan

by **John Simmon** » Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:50:55

What happened Dan? I don't think it's on my replay.

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