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1) The fast setup is a bit pushy, so make sure you don't over-accelerate
out of the corners (especially turn 2).  It gets worse as the tires get
some wear/heat on them.  

2) If you enter turn 3/4 side-by-side with another car, the inside car
has to slow a little more than they're used to to keep from pushing up
into the outside car.  This means the outside car can carry as much (if
not more) speed through that turn as you can.  Don't assume the outside
car will back off, because he really doesn't have to.

3) This is a VERY wide track.  There is no reason (for the outside car)
to squeeze people down to the apron in the turns, and in fact is a
dangerous tactic because of the setup's tendancy to be pushy.

4) My best time in offline practice has been 39.86, and I'm a mid-pack
driver, so the aliens will be probably be running low 39's or maybe even
38's. My best time during an offline race was 40.01.

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I utterly disagree John. Yellows is such a big part of this game imho.
If races are to continue being run without yellow, I think I'll just drop
the whole thing.
I did attend Pocono, even though I said I wouldn't, but that was mainly just
to see who thing's went and just try the track, while I was waiting for
dinner to be ready. (Which is why I had a 20 lap "pit-stop" in the middle of
the race :-)

I'm still very much thinking out a set of rules for the series - we are
going to need some for sure.
I just need a little more time to sort it all out.

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Michigan, while big, is not as big as Pocono AND it is one of the
easier tracks to drive so we should not have as many incidents as some
of the other tracks (and with that statement I have ensured that I
will have no less than 3 self spins).  I say turn the yellows back on.

Brian Oster

I am firmly convinced that we're gonna end up doing 30-40 laps under
yellow - again. If you ask me, that's bullshit because we run one or two
laps and someone loses it somewhere and brings out yet another caution -
we barely get any ***in heat in the tires before someone wrecks again.  

Let's not forget some people's inability to judge distance and relative
speed when catching up to the end of the pace line, and we see yet more
incidents.  

I think that if this does in fact happen, we seriously consider tuirning
off yellows permenantly because I have much better things to do than to
do 50% of a race under caution.

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I say no yellows, but nobody else seems to agree.

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The first few RASCAR races were quite clean, what happened to change that?
Can a "Just for fun" league really even exist?  In my mind "Just for Fun"
and "racing" don't co-exist well.  Even a fun league needs a basic rule set
and and enforcement policy.

Mitch

John

All this still comes into play when yellows occupy 5% of the race and a
quick decision can affect everything, but where's the strategic element when
you never even get exposed to the real challenges of a race because all you
have to do is a quick sprint and then the next little pause comes in handy
before you get under real pressure, before your nerves play a role because
you've been under pressure for an extended period of time, or before you can
become exhausted by having really raced at the limit for any substantial
amount of time?

Also, where is the strategic element when there are so many yellows that if
you make the wrong decision during one yellow, that's no prob at all because
you can rely upon the next yellow coming out soon enough to also iron out
your wrong decision?

In our races, all yellows do is keep us nicely together
like a flock of young geese :-) ;-)

Achim

Besides, I thought we were running longer races so that fuel  economy,
tire management, and pit stops *would* be a factor.  IU think it's more
fun trying to run down the leader and wonder who's gonna run outa gas
first than following people around under the yellow flag.

Like I said, I acknowledge that I'm in tyhe minority on this issue, but
you guys should reconsider after this weeks race.  The setup is pushy,
and like Mike has already said, the number of people who will have
practiced any at all will probably be slim, and they'll sure be
surprised when they slap the wall coming out of turn two at about lap
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What I don't understand is that practice usually seems to be pretty
clean but as soon as the green flag drops everyone starts wrecking
each other.

Since this is a "Just for fun" league as you called it, it probably
would be hard to implement any kind of rules outside of what exists in
the sim.  But maybe we could have some "honor" system rules and some
plain common sense.  Like, if you CAUSE 2 or more yellows maybe you
should park it.  If you see a buch of smoke in front of you maybe it
might be a good idea to start slowing down so that you can avoid what
is up ahead.  It seems like the minute I lift off the throttle due to
something happening in front of me I get tagged from behind by someone
who sees an opportunity to gain 5 or 6 spots rather than tryiing to
keep the fenders on.

Anyway, I hope the yellows return.

Brian Oster