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GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

Roger Squire

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by Roger Squire » Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I started playing the demo with the d3d patch.  The letterbox format is very
annoying, is it possible to have it utilize the entire screen and whats the
procedure?

Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so you can
tell how fast you're going?  The dashboard meters are unreadable.

rms
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Don Scurlo

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by Don Scurlo » Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:00:00



Nope. You can get full width but not full height. 16/9 is what it is.

Nope. It's a ***, but we all deal with it.

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jmoor

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by jmoor » Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Well the letterbox format is employed to represent the wider vs taller view you
have when driving, no reason to see all that sky but awfully nice to see to the
side.
As for the speedo.. it doesn't do anything to help driving, in the game or real
life.
btw, you might know me......... if you are from/in Boise
cyas

> I started playing the demo with the d3d patch.  The letterbox format is very
> annoying, is it possible to have it utilize the entire screen and whats the
> procedure?

> Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so you can
> tell how fast you're going?  The dashboard meters are unreadable.

> rms
> rsquires

Ace

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by Ace » Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:00:00


<snip>
 Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so you
can
DIGITAL? You heretic <g> AFAIK, most single seaters don't have speedometers
anyway. The instruments on the dash should be the tach' (largest) Oil
pressure, temp and fuel pressure.
DIGITAL though...<shakes head slowly>
--
-Ace-

Kraku

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by Kraku » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Hmm... I've always wondered about that. I know that you're always going as
fast as possible, anyhow, but still... wouldn't it be useful to gauge
whether you're carrying the right speed through corners? AFAIK, modern F1
cars do have digital speed readouts, and drivers always mention the exact
speeds of corners when describing how they drive a lap, so do they perhaps
use their speedometers after all?

Speedy Fas

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by Speedy Fas » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00



Nope.  They didn't have digital dashes during the 1967 season.
Furthermore most race cars before 1990 didn't even have speedemeters..
You don't need one!

L_NiN

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by L_NiN » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00

These cars did not have a speedometer so I believe it is in the interest of
reality. I have not heard the one about the screen ration but it makes
sense. In fact, I got so used to it I fell in love with it and now run NFS
PU in letterbox also : )


Eldre

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by Eldre » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00



>>Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so you can
>>tell how fast you're going?  The dashboard meters are unreadable.

>Nope.  They didn't have digital dashes during the 1967 season.
>Furthermore most race cars before 1990 didn't even have speedemeters..
>You don't need one!

It *would* help, though...

Eldred
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Ace

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by Ace » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00

<snip>

Why?
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-Ace-

David Butte

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by David Butte » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00


I have to say, you're probably in a minority about that. The letterbox
format is good in two ways: it gives you a more useful view (who cares
about what shape the clouds are in a game with no weather? but knowing
who's beside you is pretty handy); and secondly, the game is enough of
a CPU/gfx card hog already.

You *could* make it fill the screen by adjusting your monitor settings,
but the aspect ratio would be pretty weird.

Ah. One thing you'll have to get used to with GPL is that it is,
uncompromisingly, a *simulation* (as we sometimes point out at rather
too long a length...). As far as possible, if the 1967 car had
something, then so does the GPL car. And 1967 cars didn't have speedos
of any kind (in fact, I saw Thierry Boutsen's 1989 Williams recently,
and that didn't either).

You don't need the speedo - once you get used to the game you do things
by RPM, and a significant fraction of that is judged by ear (engine
note). When you're in the car (you *are* using the in-car view, I
hope), you have the same instruments as Clark, Hill or whoever. This is
part of what makes GPL so damn hard, but also part of what makes it so
satisfying when you get it right.

--
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"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Eldre

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by Eldre » Tue, 04 Jul 2000 04:00:00


writes:


><snip>
>> >Nope.  They didn't have digital dashes during the 1967 season.
>> >Furthermore most race cars before 1990 didn't even have speedemeters..
>> >You don't need one!

>> It *would* help, though...

>> Eldred

>Why?
>--
>-Ace-

It would help you know exactly what speed you can negotiate a corner, and
assist in consistency.

Eldred
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Txl

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by Txl » Tue, 04 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Eldred, drive with the outside wiev, you have the speed indicator, helpsme a
lot when exiting the ascari at monza if I'm above 292 then it's looking good
for the straight.





> >>Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so you
can
> >>tell how fast you're going?  The dashboard meters are unreadable.

> >Nope.  They didn't have digital dashes during the 1967 season.
> >Furthermore most race cars before 1990 didn't even have speedemeters..
> >You don't need one!

> It *would* help, though...

> Eldred
> --
> Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPL hcp. +70.45

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
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Michael E. Carve

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by Michael E. Carve » Tue, 04 Jul 2000 04:00:00



% >>Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so you can
% >>tell how fast you're going?  The dashboard meters are unreadable.
% >
% >Nope.  They didn't have digital dashes during the 1967 season.
% >Furthermore most race cars before 1990 didn't even have speedemeters..
% >You don't need one!
% >

% It *would* help, though...

It might appear to help and yes it might allow you to "set in concrete"
a way around a track.  However, in reality it would more than likely
hurt in the long run.  '67 GP cars were not driven by instrument (ala
air planes), but by the seat of the pants.  Once the driver got used to
the gear ratios put in the car, I doubt they even used the tach (they
used their ears).  If you try to drive the car by instrument panel, you
won't learn what you really need to know to drive it to its limit and
beyond.

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Brett C. Camma

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by Brett C. Camma » Tue, 04 Jul 2000 04:00:00


>> It *would* help, though...

>> Eldred

>Why?
>--
>-Ace-

Because GPL misrepresents speed visually below about 90 MPH?  I have
to use Arcade Mode and review the replays when learning a track just
to see how fast I was actually going when I went off.  

Between about 30 and 70 MPH I cannot tell at all how fast I'm going
just by looking.  I have to judge max cornering speed by learning that
it's a slow 1st gear corner or a fast 2nd gear corner, etc.

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL

Ace

GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

by Ace » Tue, 04 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I judge my cornering speed by tyre squeal, engine revs, and the car drifting
(or not). I don't care what the MPH is, I'm just wanting to be at the limit.
I don't need to see the speed to know whether or not I'm going as fast as I
can, and neither did the RL drivers of '67. MPH is really only useful for
analysis, which can be done better from replays, rather than while you're
in-car, trying to drive.
--
-Ace-




> >> It *would* help, though...

> >> Eldred

> >Why?
> >--
> >-Ace-

> Because GPL misrepresents speed visually below about 90 MPH?  I have
> to use Arcade Mode and review the replays when learning a track just
> to see how fast I was actually going when I went off.

> Between about 30 and 70 MPH I cannot tell at all how fast I'm going
> just by looking.  I have to judge max cornering speed by learning that
> it's a slow 1st gear corner or a fast 2nd gear corner, etc.

> Regards,
> Brett C. Cammack
> That's Racing! Motorsports
> Pompano Beach, FL


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