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Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

snakehand

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by snakehand » Fri, 14 Apr 2000 04:00:00

You tried it but you didnt like it didnt you. It was too hard for little you
:0(. Made you feel small. Never mind, some are not ready yet, you are one
who is not ready. The physics is only for the chosen. you  are too old to
begin the trainning anyway. Stick to games with steering help, until, one
day, even you may be ready. You will never do the Ring in under 10mins, you
puff <G>.

Bye

You puff.


>Things I've learned in this thread:

>  GPL was coded by God, himself. He apparantely worked it on during the
>evenings of the fifth and sixth days. He released it on a Monday.

>   Users of the sim, after acquiring sufficient time with it, report
>some sort of religious epiphany. From this point forward they are
>totally converted to GPLism.

>   Once converted to GPLism, their faith mantains, that they cannot
>admit that GPL is in any way, less than perfect. Every feature of a 1967
>Gran Prix car is captured in flawless detail within the sim according to
>the GPL zealots. And of course, there were no bugs in the sim. After
>all, God did code it.

>   Their sect also mantains, that they attempt to convert heathens and
>sinners to the cult. They attempt to accomplish this by looking for some
>innocent soul, who is foolish enough to post to R.A.S., "I just got
>Nascar Racing 2015. Boy is it cool." Of course, we know it cannot be
>cool, since it is not GPL. The cult members will then set upon this
>hapless individual, attempting to convert his path to the one true sim.

>   If the conversion process should fail, which it often does, the
>followers are prone to walk away mumbling to themselves  ("Quantity does
>not equal quality", "They race like slot cars", "One hour setup wonders"
>"They go around the corner as if on rails"). No one outside of the sect,
>much cares.

>   You can do something. Go to the house of a GPList. Ringing the
>doorbell or knocking on the door will do little good. They won't answer
>anyway.

>   Open the door, listen carefully. If they are in the midst of a
>religious ceremony, you should here something like, "Crap, spun out! Oh

>   Carefully sneak up and unplug the power cord to thier computer. You
>might notice they cease all movements and a blank expression on thier
>face, as you break the trace. This is normal.

>   Take them by the hand and lead them outside. Go for a walk, to the
>park, shoot some hoops (they won't be very good at this), but be
>patient. It's been quite a while since they've been out.

>   When you hear a slight popping noise and they suddenly speak, for no
>appararent reason, "well yes, the brakes do seem to lock up a bit too
>much", they are well on the road to recovery.

>  2_Slow
>  Just say no

lbau

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by lbau » Fri, 14 Apr 2000 04:00:00


mb.si>:


>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:51:39 -0500, "2_Slow"

>> >   The fact is GPL was/is an unmitigated turd at the sales counter, and
>> >most, nay nearly all, in the sim racing community gave it a thumbs down
>> >and took a pass on the title.

>> Well, the majority of the buyers just didn't want to invest such a
>> long time in conquering the game. Just like the fact that I'm not
>> buying adventures anymore cause I don't want to spend so much time on
>> it. I like racing far better.

>The reason for GPL not selling many copies is much more trivial. I
>talked to a salesperson at a games shop, and he said that no matter how
>good a game/sim GPL is, these 'old formulas' simply do not appeal to the
>majority of buyers (mainly ***agers). They want to be Hakkinens or
>Shumachers, funny sounding names like Brabham appeal only to the
>*** F1 crowd.

>-Gregor

Outside of the U.S. that is. I don't think that the names Hakkinen and
Shumacher really count for all that much here.

F1, downhill skiing, bobsledding, etc. just don't seem to have the
following here.

Gregor Vebl

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by Gregor Vebl » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00


> Outside of the U.S. that is. I don't think that the names Hakkinen and
> Shumacher really count for all that much here.

> F1, downhill skiing, bobsledding, etc. just don't seem to have the
> following here.

That's true, and that's why F1 sim market was always, just like rally
games, pre***ly European, especially ever since the US do not host
a Grand Prix. Papyrus may have developed an outstanding sim, but they
simulated a less than popular type of cars either side of the pond.

-Gregor

JTW620

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by JTW620 » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00

  Hopefully this will change.  Isn't Formula 1 coming back to the States again?
 Indianapolis built/is building a road course.  
Todd
http://PerformanceSimulations.com
Gregor Vebl

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by Gregor Vebl » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00


>   Hopefully this will change.  Isn't Formula 1 coming back to the States again?
>  Indianapolis built/is building a road course.
> Todd
> http://PerformanceSimulations.com

Yes, even this year there will be a race at Indy. The track is run
partly on the oval, and partly it is run on a twisty (almost karting
like) section in the middle of the oval. Even better, this track is
featured in F1 2000.

Just like Walter Wolf (he used to run a grand prix team by the same name
in the years 76-79, and is originally a fellow Slovenian) said, F1
cannot consider itself a global sport without races and popularity in
the States.

-Gregor

JTW620

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by JTW620 » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00

  Awesome.  When is the F-1 race?

Todd
http://PerformanceSimulations.com

Gregor Vebl

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by Gregor Vebl » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00


>   Awesome.  When is the F-1 race?

> Todd
> http://PerformanceSimulations.com

Not so soon, 24th September 2000. I'm really looking forward to it!

-Gregpr

K.S. Br?nnic

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by K.S. Br?nnic » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00


SNIP

Yes, it's like this for me. After GPL, all driving games suck!

GPL is the greatest driving game of all time :-).

K.S. Br?nnick

JTW620

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by JTW620 » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00

  Must.....get.......GPL........Must....get.....fast......computer.........3-D
card..........

Todd
http://PerformanceSimulations.com
--Download a free practice tree!

Ian

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by Ian » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Denial is such a terrible thing ;)

--
Ian Parker
==


> Things I've learned in this thread:

>   GPL was coded by God, himself. He apparantely worked it on during the
> evenings of the fifth and sixth days. He released it on a Monday.

>    Users of the sim, after acquiring sufficient time with it, report
> some sort of religious epiphany. From this point forward they are
> totally converted to GPLism.

>    Once converted to GPLism, their faith mantains, that they cannot
> admit that GPL is in any way, less than perfect. Every feature of a 1967
> Gran Prix car is captured in flawless detail within the sim according to
> the GPL zealots. And of course, there were no bugs in the sim. After
> all, God did code it.

>    Their sect also mantains, that they attempt to convert heathens and
> sinners to the cult. They attempt to accomplish this by looking for some
> innocent soul, who is foolish enough to post to R.A.S., "I just got
> Nascar Racing 2015. Boy is it cool." Of course, we know it cannot be
> cool, since it is not GPL. The cult members will then set upon this
> hapless individual, attempting to convert his path to the one true sim.

>    If the conversion process should fail, which it often does, the
> followers are prone to walk away mumbling to themselves  ("Quantity does
> not equal quality", "They race like slot cars", "One hour setup wonders"
> "They go around the corner as if on rails"). No one outside of the sect,
> much cares.

>    You can do something. Go to the house of a GPList. Ringing the
> doorbell or knocking on the door will do little good. They won't answer
> anyway.

>    Open the door, listen carefully. If they are in the midst of a
> religious ceremony, you should here something like, "Crap, spun out! Oh

>    Carefully sneak up and unplug the power cord to thier computer. You
> might notice they cease all movements and a blank expression on thier
> face, as you break the trace. This is normal.

>    Take them by the hand and lead them outside. Go for a walk, to the
> park, shoot some hoops (they won't be very good at this), but be
> patient. It's been quite a while since they've been out.

>    When you hear a slight popping noise and they suddenly speak, for no
> appararent reason, "well yes, the brakes do seem to lock up a bit too
> much", they are well on the road to recovery.

>   2_Slow
>   Just say no

m.seer

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by m.seer » Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Alas, not awesome I fear.

F1 is going to look like a joke at Indy. People are used to seeing an
Indycar (IRL or call it what you will) or even a Stock car thundering past
at speeds well in  excess of 200 mph running wheel to wheel with others.
When the GP cars take to the track, doing around 40-50 mph less than the
former and miles apart from each other, it is going to be a far less
impressive sight. Add to this, an infield section that, as somebody else has
quite correctly pointed out, hardly does justice to a go kart and F1 is
going to look farcical. Once again Bernie has bowed to the great money god
rather than think about putting on a show at one of the great US road
circuits. Sign of the times I guess.

BTW. All you Yanks out there might want to read up on the F1 rules. There is
one somewhere that states that unless lapping a Minadi or Prost, all
overtaking manoeuvres must be executed cleanly in the pit lane <G>

MS


> >   Awesome.  When is the F-1 race?

> > Todd
> > http://PerformanceSimulations.com

> Not so soon, 24th September 2000. I'm really looking forward to it!

> -Gregpr

Gregor Vebl

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by Gregor Vebl » Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:00:00


> BTW. All you Yanks out there might want to read up on the F1 rules. There is
> one somewhere that states that unless lapping a Minadi or Prost, all
> overtaking manoeuvres must be executed cleanly in the pit lane <G>

ROTFLOL !!!

-Gregor

Stephen Ferguso

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by Stephen Ferguso » Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:00:00


There will still be a few awesome things that even the "uncultured" American
fan will notice and appreciate.  The sounds.  They've heard the NASCAR
rumblers, the CART turbos and the IRL V8s, but nothing quite like the shriek
of the F1 cars, or their gunshot gearshifts.  It will make people sit up and
take notice.

The pit stops are quite furious to watch.  I don't like the idea of
refuelling, but the F1 pitstop is a whole different event that NASCAR or
Indycar.

The acceleration of the F1 car can be appreciated, even from the
grandstands.  The braking will really make some of the more-than-casual fans
question their eyes and ears.  Anyone who has watched NASCAR at a road
course, or Indycars, will be watching the F1s come screaming down the main
straight, thinking "he's missed his braking point... he's REALLY missed his
braking point [here comes the wreck!]... whoa... how the *?%!$ did he do
that?"

Stephen

> F1 is going to look like a joke at Indy. People are used to seeing an
> Indycar (IRL or call it what you will) or even a Stock car thundering past
> at speeds well in  excess of 200 mph running wheel to wheel with others.
> When the GP cars take to the track, doing around 40-50 mph less than the
> former and miles apart from each other, it is going to be a far less
> impressive sight. Add to this, an infield section that, as somebody else
has
> quite correctly pointed out, hardly does justice to a go kart and F1 is
> going to look farcical. Once again Bernie has bowed to the great money god
> rather than think about putting on a show at one of the great US road
> circuits. Sign of the times I guess.

> BTW. All you Yanks out there might want to read up on the F1 rules. There
is
> one somewhere that states that unless lapping a Minadi or Prost, all
> overtaking manoeuvres must be executed cleanly in the pit lane <G>

> MS



> > >   Awesome.  When is the F-1 race?

> > > Todd
> > > http://PerformanceSimulations.com

> > Not so soon, 24th September 2000. I'm really looking forward to it!

> > -Gregpr

Matthew B.Knutse

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by Matthew B.Knutse » Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:00:00




> > Alas, not awesome I fear.

> There will still be a few awesome things that even the "uncultured"
American
> fan will notice and appreciate.  The sounds.  They've heard the NASCAR
> rumblers, the CART turbos and the IRL V8s, but nothing quite like the
shriek
> of the F1 cars, or their gunshot gearshifts.  It will make people sit up
and
> take notice.

Hmm, ALMS Ferrari 333SP, Lola Judd.... sounds just as good as any F1 in my
ears :-)

Well, shame you can't really see them because of the "crowd"...um

Well, it is impressive, but I do think that you've overestimated 'em just a
bit. And the ChampCars don't exactly hang back when braking. F1 would be so
much more impressive at a circuit where they could be compared to ChampCars.
And then, finally, the eternal F1 vs CART fight would be over :-)

Pity, I'd like to see Mika at Elkhart lake!

Matt

> Stephen

> > F1 is going to look like a joke at Indy. People are used to seeing an
> > Indycar (IRL or call it what you will) or even a Stock car thundering
past
> > at speeds well in  excess of 200 mph running wheel to wheel with others.
> > When the GP cars take to the track, doing around 40-50 mph less than the
> > former and miles apart from each other, it is going to be a far less
> > impressive sight. Add to this, an infield section that, as somebody else
> has
> > quite correctly pointed out, hardly does justice to a go kart and F1 is
> > going to look farcical. Once again Bernie has bowed to the great money
god
> > rather than think about putting on a show at one of the great US road
> > circuits. Sign of the times I guess.

> > BTW. All you Yanks out there might want to read up on the F1 rules.
There
> is
> > one somewhere that states that unless lapping a Minadi or Prost, all
> > overtaking manoeuvres must be executed cleanly in the pit lane <G>

> > MS



> > > >   Awesome.  When is the F-1 race?

> > > > Todd
> > > > http://PerformanceSimulations.com

> > > Not so soon, 24th September 2000. I'm really looking forward to it!

> > > -Gregpr

lbau

Nascar 3 physics versus GPL

by lbau » Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:00:00

 :)


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