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by **Thorsten Ruete** » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Duhh!!!
Driving the road tracks with N3 is the most disappointing
thing of it! Driving the ovals is 'ok', but going to one
of the road tracks while before having raced GPL
is absolutely disappointing...

-Thorsten Rueter

> > "Feel less accurate"? Compared to GPL there's no "feel" in
> N3....period.
> > This isn't a statement made to glorify the wonders of GPL, just a
> simple
> > subjective, personal, view. Compared to GPL the Nascar vehicle feels
> as if
> > it is on rails and held to the track by magnetism....like a slot car.

> You have obviously never raced either of the the two road courses in
> Nascar 3. As one who is often in the grass, I can assure you they do not
> drive like slot cars. Neither do they skate about as if on ice, like
> GPL.

> 2_Slow

by **Rikanthr** » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I seem to crash more in N3. So I guess GPL is more realistic, since I rarely
crash my "real" car.

There you have it.

by **Tim Wheatle** » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00

ahhh! now i see :o)

> Thats not what I mean :)

> Just.. easier :)

> > so modern racing is easy? ;o)

> > > You have never seen me drive at Martinsville :)

> > > I lose the back end all the time on that track

> > > It is really impossible to compare the two games. Stock Cars of today
> are
> > > no where as hard to drive for a real driver as the cars were back in
the
> > GPL
> > > days. The cars are alot more sophisticated and of course they are
going
> > to
> > > feel different.

> > > If they use the GPL physics in N4, I would hope to god that they would
> not
> > > be as hard to drive as the GPL cars are. For one the game will flop
if
> > they
> > > are, second is that it would be totally unrealistic. "Good Physics"
> does
> > > not equal "Tough to drive"

> > > > > You have obviously never raced either of the the two road
courses
> > in
> > > > > Nascar 3. As one who is often in the grass, I can assure you they
do
> > not
> > > > > drive like slot cars. Neither do they skate about as if on ice,
like
> > > > > GPL.

> > > > I must say I disagree, there's no finesse (couldn't find a better
word
> > > > for it) required to go fast in N3, it's more "arcade like" (again,
> > > > couldn't find a better word), once you get your braking and turn in
> > > > points sorted, you're home free, assuming you have a half decent
setup
> > > > that is, you can't loose the rear end during turn in, you can't
loose
> it
> > > > on the exit, and of you *do* miss your braking point, just turn as
> usual
> > > > anyway as the car *will* turn anyway, even if you're standing on the
> > > > brakes

> > > > That's not to say I haven't enjoyed racing road courses in N2/99/3/L
> > > > with the ICR2 courses and all, but not modeling locking wheels and
> > > > wheelspin is a great omission and makes for a very unenjoyable
> > > > experience in itself, having said that, I've enjoyed the *racing*
bit
> of
> > > > N2/99/3/L a whole lot, maybe *because* it's so easy to drive that
you
> > > > can focus more on what's going on around you, which is a plus when
> > > > you're in a crowd, but running a road course in N3 on your own *is*
> like
> > > > running a slot car compared to GPL, and a few others too

> > > > Beers and cheers
> > > > (uncle) Goy

> > > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
> > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

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by **Tony StewartNo** » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Only thing thats fun about n3 i like is racing side by side noes to tail. AI
are much better then N2=no whimps that slow down when you get 5 feet withn
them. But GPL they DO NOT give up at all when your side by side. No to mention
GPL AI have there own personalitys (Surtees). N3 feels like your on railroad
tracks.

N3 car glued to ground
GPL car can get som AIR

But GPL vs N3 is unfair. So very unfair.
Maybe we could say N4 vs WSC or N4 vs GPL or GP3.

I would GPL say GPL would win against N3.

=)

by **Kirk Lan** » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00

It just feels flat. The car doesnt seem to roll, lean, pitch, nothing.
Just flat.

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by **2_Slo** » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00

The thing I have noticed that is odd. All the Formula 1 races I have
watched, the F1 cars are glued to the ground. They seem to have
tremendous down force generated. Thier suspensions also seem to be very
stiff. Hardly any body lean at all. They go around the corners at
incredible speeds like they are on rails.

How unlike GPL.

Maybe they really are so much better than '67 cars. Maybe the tires
back then had absolutely no grip for two laps. Personally, I think the
physics in GPL are seriously hosed. Real race cars do not roll that much
in the corner. Nor are supensions that soft.

I for one, think GPL physics are seriously flawed, and am glad Papy
decided to deep six them. Of course, I might feel differently, had Papy
not released such a crippled and bug infested turd of a demo.

I might have even bought the game :)

2_Slow

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Mmmm...maybe so, but we are also talking about two different physics
"engines", which was really the point of my statement.
Of course, disgregard this if your comment, which contained ***-all
reference to a previous post, was not aimed at me.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Thirty-three years difference in tyre technology means stuff-all when it
comes to two different game engines. Modern racing covers aren't THAT
brilliant! :-)

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> > Well WereTalking about 2 different era 1960s and 1990s

> Not to mention, 33 years difference in tire technology.

by **Eldre** » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>I agree, I don't expect the cars in N4 to handle like 67 F1 cars, that
>would be silly, but since they have about the same level driving aids,
>that is none, I expect locking wheels under braking and a rear end that
>will step out on me if I floor the throttle coming out of the final
>hairpin at Sears

>These are the things I hope we will get in N4, and a car that pushes
>waay wide if you miss your braking points and that will do some serious
>stuff if you drive it over the grass in the loop at the Glen

Your car doesn't get out of control in these situations??? Man, I want YOUR
setups...

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

writes:

Like a slot car? Then you're not going FAST enough, Bruce. :-)

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by **Jari Jokine** » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Judging from some old in-car racing footage they did:)

Jari Jokinen

>physics in GPL are seriously hosed. Real race cars do not roll that much
>in the corner. Nor are supensions that soft.

by **Richard Walke** » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

LOL, an incredibly good take off of those who put down GPL without knowing
a thing about the cars involved!

Cheers,
Richard

by **Goy Larse** » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> Your car doesn't get out of control in these situations??? Man, I want YOUR
> setups...

:-)

Not mine to give away or I would have, but ask Tracey Miller if you can
have his Glen setup for N2, I did my fastest lap ever with that setup,
never tried to race it in a longer race though so I can't tell you about
the tire wear, he posted it to the TEN NG at some point, felt very
twitchy until you got used to it, but if you just let it ride, it would
sort itself out most of the time, with a little work to suit your
personal style, you'd have a setup that would serve you well

Yes, the car will momentarily feel as it's about to show where you've
just been, but usually in the loop at the Glen you can just do a
confidence lift on the throttle if you're worried, and be on your way
without loosing much time at all

In N2 we were doing 120+ in the loop, using major parts of the grass and
a line that had nothing to with real life racing, you could even graze
the wall and with a bit of luck still make it, of course, if you got it
wrong, you were history....

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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by **Tracey A Mille** » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

"Goy Larsen" wrote

You're welcome to try my setup Eldred, but I can tell you it isn't as
effective in N3 as it was in N2. I could do mid 125's in N2 (damn Goy
and his 126's!! :-) In N3 I've yet to break 123. :-(

Anyway, here it is:
NASCAR 3 Setup Sheet

Watkins Glen International

Setup Name: 70

LF LR RR RF

Tire Pressure 49psi 50psi 47psi 46psi
Tire Camber -2.50 -2.20
Shocks 90% 70% 89% 99%

1st 2nd 3rd 4th

Gear Ratio 7.50 6.00 5.00 4.10

Steering Lock 8 degrees

Rear Spoiler 68 degrees

Weight Jack

Rear 1755 lbs 50.1%

Left 1600 lbs 45.7%

Cross 0 lbs 50.0%

Grille Tape: 50%

Sway Bars F: 1 1/4 R: 1 inch
Comments:

If you figure out how to get those missing 2-3 mph back let me know.

by **Tracey A Mille** » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

You must have *plonked* me Eldred, I posted my setup a few hours ago.
<G>

"EldredP" wrote

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