rec.autos.simulators

by **Claude Lecler** » Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:45:30

I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems to
relate to my problem.

I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C.
I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro.
I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results:

I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup everthing
and I can play, no problem.
But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!!
Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure in the
main menu of N2003.
Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration
without any success.

Seems to be graphics related?
Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on
their side?
Anything I missed?

Thanks.

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:24:28

Have you patched nr2k3? ANd have you tried both the d3d and the opengl
graphic options?

dave henrie

by **SimRace** » Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:56:55

So long as all your hardware is installed properly and functioning (no
Yellow Exclaimation/Question marks in the Hardware/Device Manager) then I
may would go back down the Detonator line. Sometimes the newer ones won't
work either (like older ones). I am using a GF FX 5600 Ultra with Win XP Pro
(albeit in an AMD sytem on an Asus A7N8X Deluxe board) and I think the
drivers that my system and Nr2003 like best are in the 48.xx range or
thereabouts. This is even given that I have installed DX9.0b as a part of
Call of Duty and all still runs well, knock on wood. :-)

by **Pascal Duker** » Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:22:22

I have the same m/b, but with a Ati 9800 pro. I also had problems with
crashes when I hit the exit or retire button. It turned out to be the
onboard sound as lowering the acceleration one click solved it. At least
something to try

Pascal.

by **Claude Lecler** » Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:27:55

I tried unpatched, latest patch and D3D and OGL with same result :-(.

by **Claude Lecler** » Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:29:44

I downloaded the 30.82 drivers and will give it a try tonight. These were my
best performance drivers in W98.
I will add a 48.xx to my list.

Thanks.

> > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems
to
> > relate to my problem.

> > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C.
> > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro.
> > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results:

> > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup
> everthing
> > and I can play, no problem.
> > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!!
> > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure in
> the
> > main menu of N2003.
> > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration
> > without any success.

> > Seems to be graphics related?
> > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on
> > their side?
> > Anything I missed?

> > Thanks.

> So long as all your hardware is installed properly and functioning (no
> Yellow Exclaimation/Question marks in the Hardware/Device Manager) then I
> may would go back down the Detonator line. Sometimes the newer ones won't
> work either (like older ones). I am using a GF FX 5600 Ultra with Win XP
Pro
> (albeit in an AMD sytem on an Asus A7N8X Deluxe board) and I think the
> drivers that my system and Nr2003 like best are in the 48.xx range or
> thereabouts. This is even given that I have installed DX9.0b as a part of
> Call of Duty and all still runs well, knock on wood. :-)

by **Claude Lecler** » Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:31:26

I've disabled the onboard sound, I'm using a Audigy.
I will try the latest Audigy drivers tonight.
It looks like a graphic card drivers problem but we never knows.

> I have the same m/b, but with a Ati 9800 pro. I also had problems with
> crashes when I hit the exit or retire button. It turned out to be the
> onboard sound as lowering the acceleration one click solved it. At least
> something to try

> Pascal.

> > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems
to
> > relate to my problem.

> > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C.
> > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro.
> > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results:

> > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup
> everthing
> > and I can play, no problem.
> > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!!
> > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure in
> the
> > main menu of N2003.
> > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration
> > without any success.

> > Seems to be graphics related?
> > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on
> > their side?
> > Anything I missed?

> > Thanks.

by **Don Schwartz J** » Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:57:45

Try disabling all sound and try it. This should help you narrow down wether
it's a video or sound problem.
Don

> I've disabled the onboard sound, I'm using a Audigy.
> I will try the latest Audigy drivers tonight.
> It looks like a graphic card drivers problem but we never knows.

> > I have the same m/b, but with a Ati 9800 pro. I also had problems with
> > crashes when I hit the exit or retire button. It turned out to be the
> > onboard sound as lowering the acceleration one click solved it. At least
> > something to try

> > Pascal.

> > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems
> to
> > > relate to my problem.

> > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4
2.8C.
> > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro.
> > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results:

> > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup
> > everthing
> > > and I can play, no problem.
> > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!!
> > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure
in
> > the
> > > main menu of N2003.
> > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration
> > > without any success.

> > > Seems to be graphics related?
> > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems
on
> > > their side?
> > > Anything I missed?

> > > Thanks.

by **Terry** » Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:56:10

I have the same asus mb and have been using onboard sound with a gf4ti4200 and xp, N2003 was crashing during a race within 5
laps(computer restarted) and once in the options menu(to desktop) using 52.16 drivers, in installed the 53.03 drivers and have
completed a 14 laps race with no problem(but only one race). I have sound hardware acceleration checked on(sounds drop out with it
off) and i think about 12 sounds.

Terry.

> Try disabling all sound and try it. This should help you narrow down wether
> it's a video or sound problem.
> Don

> > I've disabled the onboard sound, I'm using a Audigy.
> > I will try the latest Audigy drivers tonight.
> > It looks like a graphic card drivers problem but we never knows.

> > > I have the same m/b, but with a Ati 9800 pro. I also had problems with
> > > crashes when I hit the exit or retire button. It turned out to be the
> > > onboard sound as lowering the acceleration one click solved it. At least
> > > something to try

> > > Pascal.

> > > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems
> > to
> > > > relate to my problem.

> > > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4
> 2.8C.
> > > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro.
> > > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results:

> > > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup
> > > everthing
> > > > and I can play, no problem.
> > > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!!
> > > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure
> in
> > > the
> > > > main menu of N2003.
> > > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration
> > > > without any success.

> > > > Seems to be graphics related?
> > > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems
> on
> > > > their side?
> > > > Anything I missed?

> > > > Thanks.

by **Tom Stange** » Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:26:13

I have the same m/b and memory, and had many crashes with NR2003, until I
finally called Kingston. They setup my memory settings (which are much more
aggressive than the defaults were), and I haven't had a problem since with
NR2003 or any other app. XP and everything on it is running very stable.
Good luck
BTW, Kingston tech support was fast and easy.

by **RHinN** » Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:00:34

Could you please elaborate on "setup my memory settings" please? What did
you change?

TIA

> I have the same m/b and memory, and had many crashes with NR2003, until I
> finally called Kingston. They setup my memory settings (which are much
more
> aggressive than the defaults were), and I haven't had a problem since with
> NR2003 or any other app. XP and everything on it is running very stable.
> Good luck
> BTW, Kingston tech support was fast and easy.

> > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems
to
> > relate to my problem.

> > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C.
> > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro.
> > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results:

> > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup
> everthing
> > and I can play, no problem.
> > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!!
> > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure in
> the
> > main menu of N2003.
> > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration
> > without any success.

> > Seems to be graphics related?
> > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on
> > their side?
> > Anything I missed?

> > Thanks.

by **Tom Stange** » Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:11:56

Before I made the changes shown below (as per Kingston tech support), I
downloaded and ran MemTest (do an online search, should be easy to find),
which detect numerous memory errors. After making the changes, I ran the
test again, and no memory errors were detected... I've been running trouble
free since Sept. 03, but I still recommend that you call Kingston, things
might have changed since Sept.

BIOS settings
Advanced
-DDR Ref. Voltage (2.65v)
Advanced Chipset Settings
-Configure Dram Timing by SPD (Disabled)
the above setting will open up the following:
-Dram CAS# Latency (2.0 clocks)
-Dram RAS# Precaharge (2 clocks)
-RAS# to CAS# Delay (3 clocks)
-Precharge Delay (6 clocks)
-Burst Length (8 clocks)

MAM (Auto)
Dram Idle Timer (Auto)
Dram Refresh Rate (Auto)

> Could you please elaborate on "setup my memory settings" please? What did
> you change?

> TIA

> > I have the same m/b and memory, and had many crashes with NR2003, until
I
> > finally called Kingston. They setup my memory settings (which are much
> more
> > aggressive than the defaults were), and I haven't had a problem since
with
> > NR2003 or any other app. XP and everything on it is running very stable.
> > Good luck
> > BTW, Kingston tech support was fast and easy.

> > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems
> to
> > > relate to my problem.

> > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4
2.8C.
> > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro.
> > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results:

> > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup
> > everthing
> > > and I can play, no problem.
> > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!!
> > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure
in
> > the
> > > main menu of N2003.
> > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration
> > > without any success.

> > > Seems to be graphics related?
> > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems
on
> > > their side?
> > > Anything I missed?

> > > Thanks.

by **Claude Lecler** » Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:39:48

I installed the latest XP Creative Drivers for my audigy and N2003 is now
working like a charm. No more crashing XP.
As most pointed out, it was indeed a sound problem!
My memory is close to Tom's memory setting. Only my precharge is at 3
instead of 2 and I use 2.75 volts but I have an overclocked bus at 225Mhz.

Thanks for your inputs.

by **RHinN** » Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:30:50

Thanks for the information.

> Before I made the changes shown below (as per Kingston tech support), I
> downloaded and ran MemTest (do an online search, should be easy to find),
> which detect numerous memory errors. After making the changes, I ran the
> test again, and no memory errors were detected... I've been running
trouble
> free since Sept. 03, but I still recommend that you call Kingston, things
> might have changed since Sept.

> BIOS settings
> Advanced
> -DDR Ref. Voltage (2.65v)
> Advanced Chipset Settings
> -Configure Dram Timing by SPD (Disabled)
> the above setting will open up the following:
> -Dram CAS# Latency (2.0 clocks)
> -Dram RAS# Precaharge (2 clocks)
> -RAS# to CAS# Delay (3 clocks)
> -Precharge Delay (6 clocks)
> -Burst Length (8 clocks)

> MAM (Auto)
> Dram Idle Timer (Auto)
> Dram Refresh Rate (Auto)

> > Could you please elaborate on "setup my memory settings" please? What
did
> > you change?

> > TIA

> > > I have the same m/b and memory, and had many crashes with NR2003,
until
> I
> > > finally called Kingston. They setup my memory settings (which are much
> > more
> > > aggressive than the defaults were), and I haven't had a problem since
> with
> > > NR2003 or any other app. XP and everything on it is running very
stable.
> > > Good luck
> > > BTW, Kingston tech support was fast and easy.

> > > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that
seems
> > to
> > > > relate to my problem.

> > > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4
> 2.8C.
> > > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro.
> > > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results:

> > > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup
> > > everthing
> > > > and I can play, no problem.
> > > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!!
> > > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D
configure
> in
> > > the
> > > > main menu of N2003.
> > > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware
accelaration
> > > > without any success.

> > > > Seems to be graphics related?
> > > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems
> on
> > > > their side?
> > > > Anything I missed?

> > > > Thanks.

by **Terry & Lesle** » Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:21:07

I had the problem on line & did the same...lowered the sound acc. one notch
& no more problems (ac97 onboard sound)

> I have the same m/b, but with a Ati 9800 pro. I also had problems with
> crashes when I hit the exit or retire button. It turned out to be the
> onboard sound as lowering the acceleration one click solved it. At least
> something to try

> Pascal.

> > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems
to
> > relate to my problem.

> > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C.
> > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro.
> > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results:

> > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup
> everthing
> > and I can play, no problem.
> > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!!
> > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure in
> the
> > main menu of N2003.
> > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration
> > without any success.

> > Seems to be graphics related?
> > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on
> > their side?
> > Anything I missed?

> > Thanks.

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