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NR 2003 crashes XP

Haqsa

NR 2003 crashes XP

by Haqsa » Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:36:29

Anybody else seen this?  I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro.  If I run
it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling.  No
amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling.  If I turn
hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP.  This is the first app I have ever seen
that can crash XP.  I mean it literally halted the operating system, gave me
the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to disk and
restarted.

Stuff, in case it matters:

P4 2.4C w/ HT enabled
Asus P4P800 motherboard
512 meg dual channel DDR
128 meg GF4 Ti 4200
Analog Devices onboard sound
Logitech Momo Racing wheel

I have not yet tried re-installing NR 2003.  That's the obvious next step,
since I did not reinstall it after upgrading the mobo and proc, but before I
do that I wanted to see if anybody else had this problem and knew of a fix.
Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

ae

NR 2003 crashes XP

by ae » Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:40:10



I get occasional boughts of crackling too with Win2000 and C-Media
onboard sound.

Andrew.

Sockpuppet99

NR 2003 crashes XP

by Sockpuppet99 » Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:45:01

I had this same problem, it would usually crash when I was entering or
exiting a race. I also didnt reinstall it after some hardware
upgrades. I uninstalled it and reinstalled it and now it works fine.
Try reinstalling it.



Edgecrushe

NR 2003 crashes XP

by Edgecrushe » Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:48:16

I have the same problem.


> Anybody else seen this?  I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro.  If I run
> it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling.  No
> amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling.  If I turn
> hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP.  This is the first app I have ever seen
> that can crash XP.  I mean it literally halted the operating system, gave me
> the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to disk and
> restarted.

> Stuff, in case it matters:

> P4 2.4C w/ HT enabled

I also have this

and this

1024 DDR

I have a 128 mb 4600

onboard sound as well

I also have this.

Obviously theres a conflict somewhere as we have very similar systems and are having the same problem.

--

Steve

"They say a glass of wine makes you live longer but there's a drawback with that, the French drink it""

Guvnor.

sting3

NR 2003 crashes XP

by sting3 » Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:51:23

Haq,

when you put in the new processor & MObo, how did you get XP to deal with
the new components?  when I did this I at least had to have the XP CDROM in
, boot from it, and did a "reinstall" (what we used to call Fix install in
98, you didn't wipe the HD) where it just completely reinstalls the os in
the dir it was, then I also had to reinstall many apps & drivers, so that
they would work (NVIDIA, MSWheel, office, ICQ, all of the XP-updates,
etc...)  Im thinking that there are probably enough differences on how many
things worked from old MOBO to the new, that you really should either fresh
install XP, or try the rebuild XP install...  if nothing else the main
chipset has probably changed and they like to redirect irq's dma and allthat
their own way...

Course that is just me, as I seldom have had luck, with Papy games nor a
couple other apps, ever working right, after an upgrade in mobo before.
even though I tried what so many "proclaim" as the way to get around doing
the format & the fresh install...  (tech TV had a big thing about doing what
you did back when 98 was the OS, still they urged that you would be BEST off
to reinstall from scratch, but said many have gotten by doing yada yada...


MadDAW

NR 2003 crashes XP

by MadDAW » Fri, 08 Aug 2003 02:00:32

It sounds like a sound card driver problem to me.  I had a similar problem
with GPL with some of the Turtle Beach beta drivers. That is the only time I
crashed XP myself.  In NR2003 if I run 3d sound I get no sounds at all.
Papy programs have always been a PITA when it comes to sound. Remember that
sound setup program with the older games?  Just the thought of it still
scares me. :lol:

MadDAWG

Haqsa

NR 2003 crashes XP

by Haqsa » Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:09:30

After installing the new proc and mobo XP wouldn't even run, so I
reinstalled over the top of the old version.  Then yes I also had to
reinstall all drivers.  Had to redo a bunch of system settings too, although
surprisingly it kept quite a few of them, if it hadn't been for that it
would have looked like a clean install.  Anyway this is the only real
problem I have had since then.  On boad sound works fine in other games,
including Battlefield 1942 which is really finicky about sound cards.  Video
works fine, hyperthreading is enabled and appears to be working correctly,
etc.

Anyway elsewhere in this thread Sockpuppet said he fixed a similar problem
by reinstalling NR 2003 so I guess I will try that.  Although I think maybe
first I will try backing up and removing the .ini files to see if that is
good enough.  I remember fixing NR 2002 once by doing that.



> Haq,

> when you put in the new processor & MObo, how did you get XP to deal with
> the new components?  when I did this I at least had to have the XP CDROM
in
> , boot from it, and did a "reinstall" (what we used to call Fix install in
> 98, you didn't wipe the HD) where it just completely reinstalls the os in
> the dir it was, then I also had to reinstall many apps & drivers, so that
> they would work (NVIDIA, MSWheel, office, ICQ, all of the XP-updates,
> etc...)  Im thinking that there are probably enough differences on how
many
> things worked from old MOBO to the new, that you really should either
fresh
> install XP, or try the rebuild XP install...  if nothing else the main
> chipset has probably changed and they like to redirect irq's dma and
allthat
> their own way...

> Course that is just me, as I seldom have had luck, with Papy games nor a
> couple other apps, ever working right, after an upgrade in mobo before.
> even though I tried what so many "proclaim" as the way to get around doing
> the format & the fresh install...  (tech TV had a big thing about doing
what
> you did back when 98 was the OS, still they urged that you would be BEST
off
> to reinstall from scratch, but said many have gotten by doing yada yada...



> > Anybody else seen this?  I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro.  If I
> run
> > it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling.
No
> > amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling.  If I turn
> > hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP.  This is the first app I have ever
> seen
> > that can crash XP.  I mean it literally halted the operating system,
gave
> me
> > the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to disk
and
> > restarted.

> > Stuff, in case it matters:

> > P4 2.4C w/ HT enabled
> > Asus P4P800 motherboard
> > 512 meg dual channel DDR
> > 128 meg GF4 Ti 4200
> > Analog Devices onboard sound
> > Logitech Momo Racing wheel

> > I have not yet tried re-installing NR 2003.  That's the obvious next
step,
> > since I did not reinstall it after upgrading the mobo and proc, but
before
> I
> > do that I wanted to see if anybody else had this problem and knew of a
> fix.
> > Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

Joao Gonzale

NR 2003 crashes XP

by Joao Gonzale » Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:16:45

I have the same problem:

A friend bought a new PC with XP. Installed NR 2003 - system reset (not even
blue screen). This was with DX8.1 and a GF4 MX440. Re-installed NR2003 -
same thing.

Later he installed a Radeon 9700 Pro and DX 9.0b - same thing. Tried Open
GL - same thing, installed all XP updates - same thing. All other apps run
fine.

In my friend's case, I am now sure its either a HW thing (memory most
likely) or a sound card problem...

JG


Biz

NR 2003 crashes XP

by Biz » Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:37:34

WHy would you even fart around?  Backup any mods you may have made to NR2003, and re-install the
thing.  Sometimes it seems people are willing to spend far more time and trouble tinkering than just
re-installing it and being done with it.
--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash


> After installing the new proc and mobo XP wouldn't even run, so I
> reinstalled over the top of the old version.  Then yes I also had to
> reinstall all drivers.  Had to redo a bunch of system settings too, although
> surprisingly it kept quite a few of them, if it hadn't been for that it
> would have looked like a clean install.  Anyway this is the only real
> problem I have had since then.  On boad sound works fine in other games,
> including Battlefield 1942 which is really finicky about sound cards.  Video
> works fine, hyperthreading is enabled and appears to be working correctly,
> etc.

> Anyway elsewhere in this thread Sockpuppet said he fixed a similar problem
> by reinstalling NR 2003 so I guess I will try that.  Although I think maybe
> first I will try backing up and removing the .ini files to see if that is
> good enough.  I remember fixing NR 2002 once by doing that.



> > Haq,

> > when you put in the new processor & MObo, how did you get XP to deal with
> > the new components?  when I did this I at least had to have the XP CDROM
> in
> > , boot from it, and did a "reinstall" (what we used to call Fix install in
> > 98, you didn't wipe the HD) where it just completely reinstalls the os in
> > the dir it was, then I also had to reinstall many apps & drivers, so that
> > they would work (NVIDIA, MSWheel, office, ICQ, all of the XP-updates,
> > etc...)  Im thinking that there are probably enough differences on how
> many
> > things worked from old MOBO to the new, that you really should either
> fresh
> > install XP, or try the rebuild XP install...  if nothing else the main
> > chipset has probably changed and they like to redirect irq's dma and
> allthat
> > their own way...

> > Course that is just me, as I seldom have had luck, with Papy games nor a
> > couple other apps, ever working right, after an upgrade in mobo before.
> > even though I tried what so many "proclaim" as the way to get around doing
> > the format & the fresh install...  (tech TV had a big thing about doing
> what
> > you did back when 98 was the OS, still they urged that you would be BEST
> off
> > to reinstall from scratch, but said many have gotten by doing yada yada...



> > > Anybody else seen this?  I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro.  If I
> > run
> > > it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling.
> No
> > > amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling.  If I turn
> > > hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP.  This is the first app I have ever
> > seen
> > > that can crash XP.  I mean it literally halted the operating system,
> gave
> > me
> > > the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to disk
> and
> > > restarted.

> > > Stuff, in case it matters:

> > > P4 2.4C w/ HT enabled
> > > Asus P4P800 motherboard
> > > 512 meg dual channel DDR
> > > 128 meg GF4 Ti 4200
> > > Analog Devices onboard sound
> > > Logitech Momo Racing wheel

> > > I have not yet tried re-installing NR 2003.  That's the obvious next
> step,
> > > since I did not reinstall it after upgrading the mobo and proc, but
> before
> > I
> > > do that I wanted to see if anybody else had this problem and knew of a
> > fix.
> > > Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

Andy

NR 2003 crashes XP

by Andy » Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:24:18



I think you would of been better off just formatting the HD, and doing
a clean install of XP.  I know it sucks reinstalling all your apps,
but in the end it usually saves a lot of headaches.  
Andy

Haqsa

NR 2003 crashes XP

by Haqsa » Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:10:58

Because a) I like tinkering, and b) it takes more time to locate and back up
all my player records, add-on cars, tracks, etc. than it does to try a few
things. Anyway, as it turned out deleting the .ini's didn't help a bit.  So
I reinstalled NR 2003 and now everything *appears* to be fine.  You may now
say "I told you so."  ;P


NR2003, and re-install the
trouble tinkering than just

Haqsa

NR 2003 crashes XP

by Haqsa » Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:14:34

Well this one turned out to be an NR2003 problem, so that means that so far,
after about two months of use, I have not yet found anything that is screwed
up due to just re-installing XP over the top of the old install.  I have had
good luck doing that on other machines too.




> >After installing the new proc and mobo XP wouldn't even run, so I
> >reinstalled over the top of the old version.  Then yes I also had to
> >reinstall all drivers.

> I think you would of been better off just formatting the HD, and doing
> a clean install of XP.  I know it sucks reinstalling all your apps,
> but in the end it usually saves a lot of headaches.
> Andy

Larr

NR 2003 crashes XP

by Larr » Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:18:26

Absolute agreement.  Hot-swapping a different motherboard without starting
off fresh is false economy.

-Larry


Jeff Shar

NR 2003 crashes XP

by Jeff Shar » Sat, 09 Aug 2003 08:26:58



While you can have good luck doing it this way you can also end up
with a system with a time bomb on it. It usually hits after installing
new software or a patch and you end up blaming and trying to fix the
newly installed software when the problem is with the Windows install.
When you reinstall Windows with new hardware it does not remove the
old drivers and conflicts can occur. I suspect you may already
experienced this with your N2003 problem.

Mike Mel

NR 2003 crashes XP

by Mike Mel » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 04:18:58

I had the same problem. Mine was a sound issue. I just turned sound
hardware accelaration down one notch and fix the locking up. For some
reason though it keeps return to full after reboot. So before I run Nascar
2003 I set it one notch from full.

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