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by **MadDAW** » Fri, 07 Dec 2001 21:38:23

Part 1
Well I'm starting to really get into GPL now, and I love all the eye candy.
Right now I'm running a AMD T-bird 1.4 with a Geforce 2 GTS 64 meg video
card. I hold 36 with a few cars on screen, but at the starts it drops to mid
20 range. Would a new chip or a better video card be a better upgrade? With
a BIOS flash I can run up to a AMD 1800 XP CPU or I should I go for a
ATI8500 or GF3 Ti500? With 3dmark2001 a video card gives the higher
benchmark, but the GF2 gets dinged because of the lack of DX 8 features so
I'm not sure if its a true apples to apples comparison.

Part 2
If a video card is the way to go which one is the way to go, ATI 8500 or GF3
Ti500? I talked to a guy I know and he made the change from a GF2 to a GF3
and he told me that the GF3 wasn't a real image quality upgrade over the
GF2. He did say that the added horse power of the GF3 did allow him to run a
higher level of FSAA so he did get some image quality upgrade, but not a
lot. I had a ATI Rage Maxx Fury Pro card in the past and I thought that card
had a better image than the GF2 with out FSAA so I'm kinda leaning toward
the ATI at the moment.

MadDAWG

by **David Indec** » Fri, 07 Dec 2001 22:33:52

I have the same problem with my PIII 800/GTS, although probably a bit more
severe that what you've experienced. Try dropping the detail slider to 1/2.
Quality isn't significantly impacted, but framerate improves dramatically.

If you must buy something, the GeForce 3 is a better choice than the ATI
Radeon. Solid driver support is the main selling point, they're both pretty
close speedwise. Image quality is also nearly identical if you enable
anisotropic filtering on the GeForce.

David I

by **MadDAW** » Fri, 07 Dec 2001 23:23:05

thanks for the tip I'll try that until I make up my mind where to spend my
money. After getting out of real racing keeping a computer up to date seems
cheap. :) shoot the CPU is cheaper than 1 tire !

MadDAWG.

by **Ian Bel** » Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:26:56

Maddawg, are you sure there's not a problem somewhere on your system?
I was running GPL with 16 bit skins, Darkgreens enormous asphalt mip 3D
wheels etc at a steady 36FPS on my old 1.33 T'Bird and Geforce DDR.
You have the latest M'board drivers installed?

www.SimBin.com
For all your setups!

by **MadDAW** » Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:58:05

Yeah I do but AMD hasn't updated them in a while. I don't think its anything
major but I like all the eye candy in the game as well as video card
settings like FSAA and Aniscopic filtering. Like a I said before its pretty
much only at the start and when I'm in a huge pack of cars, like the start.
For example when i drive thru the pits it will drop to around 25-27. I'm
running track updates, the jf carset with the max setting for the wheels.
There is no doubt that I could turn down a few things here and there and
cure any littlle hicups I'm getting. I'm just trying to go for the ultimate
is all. I personly think GPL with the addons out there is the best looking
game. I think alot of games go overboard on lighting effects. N4 is a good
example of that. Sorry but no stock car looks like it has a fresh coat of
wax after running a race. I think the biggest thing right now is a hate
jaggies. The really bug me, and since I have a max res of 1280x1024 on my
monitor I need to run 2x FSAA to help cut back on them. I'd love to run
4xFSAA but the GF2 just can't keep up with that.

MadDAWG

by **Ian Bel** » Sat, 08 Dec 2001 03:50:08

The FSAA explains it. If you move to a GeForce 3 you'll see a huge
improvement in the FSAA in terms of framerate. Know what you mean about the
eye candy - I recently upgraded my Monitor to get 1600X1200 at a good
refresh and it looks sweet!

www.SimBin.com
For all your Setups!

by **Phillip Arche** » Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:03:11

Have to agree with Ian, I'm using a GeForce 3 on an XP 1500+ at 1600x1200
with no FSAA. Full detail on everything gets 36 fps everywhere with maybe a
drop to 32-34 at the start at Monaco from the back of the field. Graphics
look better IMHO at this resolution than at 1024x748 with 4FSAA (which would
get similar framerates). Maybe MadDAWG should spend the money on a better
(bigger?) monitor and run at a higher resolution?
Just my 2C worth ;-)
Phillip...

by **Rafe McAulif** » Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:21:17

Agreed here as well. A GF2 GTS and 1.4ghz tbird is a good combo, and
should fly along in GPL. FSAA is only really meant to be used for
lower resolutions, from 640x480 to 1024x768. Once you get above
1280x1024 it is not necessary (and kills the framerate anyway)

Setting the detail slider midway is the best trick too.

If it was me, I'd go a bigger monitor too, nothing like running on a
19" or 21" monitor. Plus, they last longer :D

Rafe Mc

by **MadDAW** » Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:56:50

Sorry guys my setup won't allow for a bigger monitor.

MadDAWG

by J » Sat, 08 Dec 2001 23:35:04

Have a XP1600 with a GF2 64 DDR
smooth as silk, almost no fps-drop at Monaco with 19 AI and 3D-wheels on all
cars.
detail slider can be reduced to 1/3rd w/o any real loss on the graphics.
IMO your system should run GPL like a champ

JensSchumi

>Part 1
>Well I'm starting to really get into GPL now, and I love all the eye candy.
>Right now I'm running a AMD T-bird 1.4 with a Geforce 2 GTS 64 meg video
>card. I hold 36 with a few cars on screen, but at the starts it drops to mid
>20 range. Would a new chip or a better video card be a better upgrade? With
>a BIOS flash I can run up to a AMD 1800 XP CPU or I should I go for a
>ATI8500 or GF3 Ti500? With 3dmark2001 a video card gives the higher
>benchmark, but the GF2 gets dinged because of the lack of DX 8 features so
>I'm not sure if its a true apples to apples comparison.

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by J » Sat, 08 Dec 2001 23:35:05

16 bit skins?
musthavewherecandownload

JensSchumi

>Maddawg, are you sure there's not a problem somewhere on your system?
>I was running GPL with 16 bit skins, Darkgreens enormous asphalt mip 3D
>wheels etc at a steady 36FPS on my old 1.33 T'Bird and Geforce DDR.
>You have the latest M'board drivers installed?

>www.SimBin.com
>For all your setups!

>> thanks for the tip I'll try that until I make up my mind where to spend my
>> money. After getting out of real racing keeping a computer up to date
>seems
>> cheap. :) shoot the CPU is cheaper than 1 tire !

>> MadDAWG.

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by **Rafe McAulif** » Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:15:00

Bummer. Try using anisotropic filtering without any FSAA at 1280 or
1600 and see how it goes. You should get a better picture and better
frame rate I'd say.

Rafe Mc

by **Eldre** » Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:53:33

>Sorry guys my setup won't allow for a bigger monitor.

My setup will, but my wallet won't... :(

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:53:33

>If it was me, I'd go a bigger monitor too, nothing like running on a
>19" or 21" monitor. Plus, they last longer :D

Have you guys noticed an increase in speed since getting a larger monitor? I'm
trying to determine if the display size really helps you drive better.

Eldred
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by **Don Burnett** » Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:44:21

> >If it was me, I'd go a bigger monitor too, nothing like running on a
> >19" or 21" monitor. Plus, they last longer :D

> Have you guys noticed an increase in speed since getting a larger monitor?
I'm
> trying to determine if the display size really helps you drive better.

> Eldred
> --

I went from a 17" to a 19", made a big differance in the appearance, but
didn't help my slow ***any.

Don Burnette

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