rec.autos.simulators

by **Schoone** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:36:16

For anyone interested we have been making some new pedals first for our own
use but possibly for resale either as plans, kits, or full units if there is
any demand. Here area few pictures of what we have come up with in the
prototype. Still in the testing/design stages but wanted to show what we
have for those interested.
Our main goals were simple and solid. Unit is made wit aircraft grade
aluminium, bolts, bearings.

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by **Mike** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:53:39

Good luck to you, they look very strong. Take care to fit a stop on the
brake so the pot linkage cant go over center once the squash ball has
got a bit weaker. Will these be for game port only or are you planning
for usb too?

Cheers

MikeT (MTPedals as was)

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by **Schoone** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:06:31

The brake pedal has a stop now on the case itself to prevent it going too
far for pot.
It is currently gameport connection and that is all we are working on right
now. There are gameport to USB adapters and we will be testing it on one as
well. The fibreglass case for example has not been finished yet is in a
semi rough state.
Right now it is still design phase but would like feedback on what people
think.

> > For anyone interested we have been making some new pedals first for
> > our own use but possibly for resale either as plans, kits, or full
> > units if there is any demand.

> Good luck to you, they look very strong. Take care to fit a stop on the
> brake so the pot linkage cant go over center once the squash ball has
> got a bit weaker. Will these be for game port only or are you planning
> for usb too?

> Cheers

> MikeT (MTPedals as was)

> --
> If you want to email me then use this:

> MikeT at dsl dot pipex dot com

by **checkmysignat..** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:13:16

On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:36:16 -0300, "Schooner"

>For anyone interested we have been making some new pedals first for our own
>use but possibly for resale either as plans, kits, or full units if there is
>any demand. Here area few pictures of what we have come up with in the
>prototype. Still in the testing/design stages but wanted to show what we
>have for those interested.
>Our main goals were simple and solid. Unit is made wit aircraft grade
>aluminium, bolts, bearings.

Are most of the parts (like the pedal arm) you used off the shelf?
Can you buy them at a Revy or Homedepot? This looks nice. How much
are looking to sell them for?

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karkrazy AT softhome DOT net

by **Schoone** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:03:21

No, most of the parts are aircraft grade and thus most local places won't
carry it.
The arms are 1/4" aluminium plate cut to shape, with aluminium angle iron,
and aircraft bell crank bearings.
No price set yet as we are still in design phase.

> On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:36:16 -0300, "Schooner"

> >For anyone interested we have been making some new pedals first for our
own
> >use but possibly for resale either as plans, kits, or full units if there
is
> >any demand. Here area few pictures of what we have come up with in the
> >prototype. Still in the testing/design stages but wanted to show what we
> >have for those interested.
> >Our main goals were simple and solid. Unit is made wit aircraft grade
> >aluminium, bolts, bearings.

> Are most of the parts (like the pedal arm) you used off the shelf?
> Can you buy them at a Revy or Homedepot? This looks nice. How much
> are looking to sell them for?

> --
> karkrazy AT softhome DOT net

by **Bob** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:44:40

Everything looks very nice, but just wondering why you would go with bungee
cord instead of a quality spring?

by **Schoone** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:59:26

We have used bungee cord for years in other commercial uses without issue
and decided to give it a try here as well.
We are still in the design/testing phase so nothing is final but so far the
bungee is working fine and we will be testing with a spring as well.
Bungee cord allows you to create the exact size required and set any tension
level. They do stretch slightly over time but never have total failure as a
spring can have when it breaks.
A number of people have asked why bungee instead of the spring and we were
curious as to what issues/concerns people have with the bungee as perhaps we
have overlooked a problem in using it, or is it more an issue that it is
different?

> Everything looks very nice, but just wondering why you would go with
bungee
> cord instead of a quality spring?

> > For anyone interested we have been making some new pedals first for our
> own
> > use but possibly for resale either as plans, kits, or full units if
there
> is
> > any demand. Here area few pictures of what we have come up with in the
> > prototype. Still in the testing/design stages but wanted to show what
we
> > have for those interested.
> > Our main goals were simple and solid. Unit is made wit aircraft grade
> > aluminium, bolts, bearings.

> > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000528.jpg
> > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000529.jpg
> > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000530.jpg
> > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000531.jpg
> > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000532.jpg
> > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000533.jpg
> > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000534.jpg
> > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000535.jpg
> > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000536.jpg
> > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000537.jpg

> > www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League

by **Doug Elliso** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:27:16

I have used MSFF, Logi Momo and BRD Sim Pro and BRD Speed 7 pedals - and
these look like they suffer the same issue the momo pedal do - the pedal
itself pivots at the top of the arm to which it is attached - thus you can
have a very disorientating sensation sometimes. You're not sure if you're
actually pushing the pedal - or just tilting it.

Maybe I'm miss interpreting the pictures.

Apart from that - they look wicked :D

Doug

by **Schoone** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:06:00

Currently only the throttle is pivoting, the others are locked solid. Still
deciding whether we want the throttle to pivot or not as well for the
reasons you mention. The key I think is to have them pivot slightly so they
give as you push to make the angle more comfortable latter in the travel but
not so much that they pivot early and make it hard to know if the pedal is
actually being moved.

> > For anyone interested we have been making some new pedals first for our
> own
> > use but possibly for resale either as plans, kits, or full units if
there
> is
> > any demand. Here area few pictures of what we have come up with in the
> > prototype.

> I have used MSFF, Logi Momo and BRD Sim Pro and BRD Speed 7 pedals - and
> these look like they suffer the same issue the momo pedal do - the pedal
> itself pivots at the top of the arm to which it is attached - thus you can
> have a very disorientating sensation sometimes. You're not sure if you're
> actually pushing the pedal - or just tilting it.

> Maybe I'm miss interpreting the pictures.

> Apart from that - they look wicked :D

> Doug

by **Bob** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:53:55

Yes, it would be mainly the stretch issue I would be concerned about.
Sounds like you're on top of it though. Keep up the nice work. It looks
great.

> We have used bungee cord for years in other commercial uses without issue
> and decided to give it a try here as well.
> We are still in the design/testing phase so nothing is final but so far
the
> bungee is working fine and we will be testing with a spring as well.
> Bungee cord allows you to create the exact size required and set any
tension
> level. They do stretch slightly over time but never have total failure as
a
> spring can have when it breaks.
> A number of people have asked why bungee instead of the spring and we were
> curious as to what issues/concerns people have with the bungee as perhaps
we
> have overlooked a problem in using it, or is it more an issue that it is
> different?

> > Everything looks very nice, but just wondering why you would go with
> bungee
> > cord instead of a quality spring?

> > > For anyone interested we have been making some new pedals first for
our
> > own
> > > use but possibly for resale either as plans, kits, or full units if
> there
> > is
> > > any demand. Here area few pictures of what we have come up with in
the
> > > prototype. Still in the testing/design stages but wanted to show what
> we
> > > have for those interested.
> > > Our main goals were simple and solid. Unit is made wit aircraft grade
> > > aluminium, bolts, bearings.

> > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000528.jpg
> > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000529.jpg
> > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000530.jpg
> > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000531.jpg
> > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000532.jpg
> > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000533.jpg
> > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000534.jpg
> > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000535.jpg
> > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000536.jpg
> > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000537.jpg

> > > www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League

by **Schoone** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:55:25

Ok thanks for the reply on this, it help us a lot. Yes the stretch issue is
definitely the main one when dealing with bungee but it really depends on
the quality used. There is some really poor bungee out there that is no
good but other makes stand up for years. Like I mentioned before we were
rather concerned about the total failure possibilities with springs so this
the reason we tried something different, but as with bungee if the springs
are of top quality this shouldn't be an issue.

> Yes, it would be mainly the stretch issue I would be concerned about.
> Sounds like you're on top of it though. Keep up the nice work. It looks
> great.

> > We have used bungee cord for years in other commercial uses without
issue
> > and decided to give it a try here as well.
> > We are still in the design/testing phase so nothing is final but so far
> the
> > bungee is working fine and we will be testing with a spring as well.
> > Bungee cord allows you to create the exact size required and set any
> tension
> > level. They do stretch slightly over time but never have total failure
as
> a
> > spring can have when it breaks.
> > A number of people have asked why bungee instead of the spring and we
were
> > curious as to what issues/concerns people have with the bungee as
perhaps
> we
> > have overlooked a problem in using it, or is it more an issue that it is
> > different?

> > > Everything looks very nice, but just wondering why you would go with
> > bungee
> > > cord instead of a quality spring?

> > > > For anyone interested we have been making some new pedals first for
> our
> > > own
> > > > use but possibly for resale either as plans, kits, or full units if
> > there
> > > is
> > > > any demand. Here area few pictures of what we have come up with in
> the
> > > > prototype. Still in the testing/design stages but wanted to show
what
> > we
> > > > have for those interested.
> > > > Our main goals were simple and solid. Unit is made wit aircraft
grade
> > > > aluminium, bolts, bearings.

> > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000528.jpg
> > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000529.jpg
> > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000530.jpg
> > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000531.jpg
> > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000532.jpg
> > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000533.jpg
> > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000534.jpg
> > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000535.jpg
> > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000536.jpg
> > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000537.jpg

> > > > www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League

by **Jesse Blac** » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:29:30

I race in socks, and it looks like that heel plate would be very annoying
and uncomfortable. It seems that every manufacturer that I have seen goes
for realism over comfort in this area. Have you ever considered a soft base
and smoother pedals for maximum comfort?

JB

by **Graha** » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:57:41

Those pedals look great. I like the design. Looks easy to maintain. Using
bungies is a good ideal, and if people did'nt like the bungies, they could
go out and buy some of those universal carb return springs, and adjust them
for tension. Keep us posted on your progress. Will the pedals be hooked up
to the usb, or game port?

> Ok thanks for the reply on this, it help us a lot. Yes the stretch issue
is
> definitely the main one when dealing with bungee but it really depends on
> the quality used. There is some really poor bungee out there that is no
> good but other makes stand up for years. Like I mentioned before we were
> rather concerned about the total failure possibilities with springs so
this
> the reason we tried something different, but as with bungee if the springs
> are of top quality this shouldn't be an issue.

> > Yes, it would be mainly the stretch issue I would be concerned about.
> > Sounds like you're on top of it though. Keep up the nice work. It
looks
> > great.

> > > We have used bungee cord for years in other commercial uses without
> issue
> > > and decided to give it a try here as well.
> > > We are still in the design/testing phase so nothing is final but so
far
> > the
> > > bungee is working fine and we will be testing with a spring as well.
> > > Bungee cord allows you to create the exact size required and set any
> > tension
> > > level. They do stretch slightly over time but never have total
failure
> as
> > a
> > > spring can have when it breaks.
> > > A number of people have asked why bungee instead of the spring and we
> were
> > > curious as to what issues/concerns people have with the bungee as
> perhaps
> > we
> > > have overlooked a problem in using it, or is it more an issue that it
is
> > > different?

> > > > Everything looks very nice, but just wondering why you would go with
> > > bungee
> > > > cord instead of a quality spring?

> > > > > For anyone interested we have been making some new pedals first
for
> > our
> > > > own
> > > > > use but possibly for resale either as plans, kits, or full units
if
> > > there
> > > > is
> > > > > any demand. Here area few pictures of what we have come up with
in
> > the
> > > > > prototype. Still in the testing/design stages but wanted to show
> what
> > > we
> > > > > have for those interested.
> > > > > Our main goals were simple and solid. Unit is made wit aircraft
> grade
> > > > > aluminium, bolts, bearings.

> > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000528.jpg
> > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000529.jpg
> > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000530.jpg
> > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000531.jpg
> > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000532.jpg
> > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000533.jpg
> > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000534.jpg
> > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000535.jpg
> > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000536.jpg
> > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000537.jpg

> > > > > www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League

by **Schoone** » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:29:24

It will be wired for gameport. Wiring for USB is not trivial and there are
now gamerport to USB adapters so its easier to got gameport route to start
with at least.

> Those pedals look great. I like the design. Looks easy to maintain.
Using
> bungies is a good ideal, and if people did'nt like the bungies, they could
> go out and buy some of those universal carb return springs, and adjust
them
> for tension. Keep us posted on your progress. Will the pedals be hooked
up
> to the usb, or game port?

> > Ok thanks for the reply on this, it help us a lot. Yes the stretch
issue
> is
> > definitely the main one when dealing with bungee but it really depends
on
> > the quality used. There is some really poor bungee out there that is no
> > good but other makes stand up for years. Like I mentioned before we
were
> > rather concerned about the total failure possibilities with springs so
> this
> > the reason we tried something different, but as with bungee if the
springs
> > are of top quality this shouldn't be an issue.

> > > Yes, it would be mainly the stretch issue I would be concerned about.
> > > Sounds like you're on top of it though. Keep up the nice work. It
> looks
> > > great.

> > > > We have used bungee cord for years in other commercial uses without
> > issue
> > > > and decided to give it a try here as well.
> > > > We are still in the design/testing phase so nothing is final but so
> far
> > > the
> > > > bungee is working fine and we will be testing with a spring as well.
> > > > Bungee cord allows you to create the exact size required and set any
> > > tension
> > > > level. They do stretch slightly over time but never have total
> failure
> > as
> > > a
> > > > spring can have when it breaks.
> > > > A number of people have asked why bungee instead of the spring and
we
> > were
> > > > curious as to what issues/concerns people have with the bungee as
> > perhaps
> > > we
> > > > have overlooked a problem in using it, or is it more an issue that
it
> is
> > > > different?

> > > > > Everything looks very nice, but just wondering why you would go
with
> > > > bungee
> > > > > cord instead of a quality spring?

> > > > > > For anyone interested we have been making some new pedals first
> for
> > > our
> > > > > own
> > > > > > use but possibly for resale either as plans, kits, or full units
> if
> > > > there
> > > > > is
> > > > > > any demand. Here area few pictures of what we have come up with
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > prototype. Still in the testing/design stages but wanted to
show
> > what
> > > > we
> > > > > > have for those interested.
> > > > > > Our main goals were simple and solid. Unit is made wit aircraft
> > grade
> > > > > > aluminium, bolts, bearings.

> > > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000528.jpg
> > > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000529.jpg
> > > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000530.jpg
> > > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000531.jpg
> > > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000532.jpg
> > > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000533.jpg
> > > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000534.jpg
> > > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000535.jpg
> > > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000536.jpg
> > > > > > http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/P1000537.jpg

> > > > > > www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League

by **Schoone** » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:31:25

I race in socks as well and the heal plate is not an issue that I have
noticed bit I understand you point. We are looking for a more ***ized
plate now for it. This model is just a prototype and can/will be undergoing
some changes.
We appreciate the feedback, good to get second opinions as it is easy to
overlook areas that others may notice.

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