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by **Schoone** » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:28:39

Hehe, yes perhaps :)
However I'd rather try and find some innovation or try something new if it
works as well or possibly better.

> But springs are more popular. Shouldn't you just use whatever is more
> popular here? ;0)

> --
> Joe Marques

> > Not determined to go either way, just looking for feedback. To date
there
> > is no real argument against the use of high quality bungee so we will
> > probably still go with it for now.

> > > Looks like you are determined to go with the bungee, despite all of
the
> > > spring votes.
> > > You haven't got a *** *** have you?

> > > :-)

> > > Darf

> > > > 2 mins to change a spring is a few laps if you happen to be in the
> midst
> > > of
> > > > a points race.
> > > > But I understand your point. As I mentioned before the quality of
the
> > > > bungee is the key. You can buy cheap bungee just as you can buy
cheap
> > > > springs, you can also buy MIL Spec bungee.

by **MadDAW** » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:25:11

Well if a pro bungee vote is needed, count me in. I even had a T2 for many
years with daily usage and only one failure. IMO bungee provide a smoother
feel than a spring. I think they handle the alignment changes better than
springs. The only thing with bungee is to keep them from rubbing along
something that can cut them. The bushing idea above was a good idea.

What is the amount of pedal travel with the current design? I think the ACT
Labs pro pedals claim a two inch travel. I know my MOMO pedals are around 1
inch travel and its no where near enough. I'm not even sure that 2 inches
is, but I know it would be better than what I have.

I had thought about the ACT Labs pedals, but their breakage issues has
scared me away. Keep me informed on your progress Schooner I'm looking
forward to them.

MadDAWG

by **Schoone** » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:48:58

Currently have over 2 inches of travel and it seems like a lot but perhaps
it's because I have being using the Momos to date. Was considering reducing
it but now you have me thinking :)
The amount of travel will be adjustable that way the driver can set it to
what they like.
I don't think the bungee rubbing is a big issue. Right now its on a smooth
steel S hook so nothing to really wear it on and it doesn't touch any other
component in the case. We have used bungee in commercial fishing where it
sees a lot of wear on a regular basis and failure is not common. I think
the T2 wheel was just a poor application of bungee, they seemed to use an
odd setup and push and pulled side ways and not length ways.

by **MadDAW** » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:28:36

I'd say that 2" should be the min. As far as the bungee goes you don't have
to sell me. The T2 did use an odd setup. There was a dog leg*** off the
steering shaft. The bungee was stretched across the bottom of the shaft. So
the dog leg actually pushed the bungee down. IMO the problem with this was
two fold. The first problem was that it was not really using the bungee in
the right way. The second and most important is the dog leg that pushed on
the bungee had a molding seam run across it that created a sharp edge that
cut into the bungee.

MadDAWG

by **Darf** » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:47:20

You mustn't have raced hard enough :-)

Darf

by **MadDAW** » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:38:00

It got tons of use. After the first one broke I sanded the dog leg smooth so
it would not bite in to the bungee cord. I went thru a couple more offline
seasons. Man do I miss the save race feature. :(

MadDAWG

by **Darf** » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:17:40

After the first bungee broke I quickly got used to driving without it.
I ended up getting quicker lap times that way.
I even wired up microswitches that were attached to the rim of the Wheel.
for gear changes. Made the cars much easier to drive.
The Old Thrustmaster has been relegated to the kids now but it still
is without its bungee :-)
BTW in Australia we call bungees ocky straps (short for octopus straps)

Darf

by **Schoone** » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:07:41

Just a quick follow up on a issue that has been asked a few times on the
pedal design - The pedal arms are all bearing mounted using aircraft quality
bearings. These are ball bearing type, not bushings. In the picture the
clutch pedal is just mounted solid but the gas and break are on bearings.
These bearings are very thin with 0 play in them. They are military spec
and used for aircraft control mechanisms. I will try and post a close up
picture to give a better idea of how they look and work.
Thank for all the comments to date on this.

> > For anyone interested we have been making some new pedals first for
> > our own use but possibly for resale either as plans, kits, or full
> > units if there is any demand.

> Good luck to you, they look very strong. Take care to fit a stop on the
> brake so the pot linkage cant go over center once the squash ball has
> got a bit weaker. Will these be for game port only or are you planning
> for usb too?

> Cheers

> MikeT (MTPedals as was)

> --
> If you want to email me then use this:

> MikeT at dsl dot pipex dot com

by **Gerry Aitke** » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:18:03

> > > I believe you are right, all the feedback to date on the bungees seems
> to
> > > point to issues in the TM wheel which like you say is a totally
> different
> > > setup.

> > I agree. What next, the springs in the Actlab Precision pedals snapped
> > so springs are bad?

> > Gerry

> Evidently they are on the Act Labs if they truely break often. What is your
> point?

My point is obvious to anyone with half a brain! Do us all a favour and
DON'T get a job in the nuclear industry!!

by **Jason Mond** » Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:57:30

Bungees are good! :) I bet my bungees are easier to change and springs
(if they ever need it) :)

http://www.scprc.com/images/TMFF

> IMHO bungies are BAD.

--
Jason Monds theCLAPPER in Kali
http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N4, GPL, Fun Run Sims)
http://www.racersdomain.com - Racers go here.
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by **checkmysignat..** » Wed, 04 Sep 2002 03:53:51

On Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:57:30 GMT, Jason Monds

>Bungees are good! :) I bet my bungees are easier to change and springs
>(if they ever need it) :)

Check out Driving Italia for this pedal mod http://tinyurl.com/19fc

--
karkrazy AT softhome DOT net

by **Houndo** » Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:01:35

Neat Mod, what type of shocks/springs are those and where could I find them?

Jeff

> On Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:57:30 GMT, Jason Monds

> >Bungees are good! :) I bet my bungees are easier to change and springs
> >(if they ever need it) :)

> Check out Driving Italia for this pedal mod http://tinyurl.com/19fc

> --
> karkrazy AT softhome DOT net

by **checkmysignat..** » Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:29:49

They're shocks for radio controllered cars, I believe. So any hobby
shop that carries r/c stuff should have them.

>> On Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:57:30 GMT, Jason Monds

>> >Bungees are good! :) I bet my bungees are easier to change and springs
>> >(if they ever need it) :)

>> Check out Driving Italia for this pedal mod http://tinyurl.com/19fc

--
karkrazy AT softhome DOT net

by **Neil Cannin** » Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:47:33

geeze jason,next youll be showing picks of your TV dinner tray wheel
mounting system<G>

neil

> Bungees are good! :) I bet my bungees are easier to change and springs
> (if they ever need it) :)

> http://www.scprc.com/images/TMFF

> > IMHO bungies are BAD.

> --
> Jason Monds theCLAPPER in Kali
> http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N4, GPL, Fun Run Sims)
> http://www.racersdomain.com - Racers go here.
> (Remove 'no spork' when replying)

by **Darf** » Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:44:03

Never in my life have I ever seen such a massacre of the English Language.
What a crack up :-)

Darf

> On Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:57:30 GMT, Jason Monds

> Check out Driving Italia for this pedal mod http://tinyurl.com/19fc

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