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by **John Pancoas** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:53:02

Yeah, well, my family given a LOT to let me online race and run a league
over the years. So if I get in a "bad" race, I bail, especially since I
come home from work on Saturday, and almost go straight to the pc.
Bailed yesterday, I'll do it again in the future, fwiw, not just here, but
elsewhere too, when it's not a points, etc. event.

Racing is one thing; following a pace car is another. I've never, and
won't, bail because of a moderately damaged car, can't win/finish well, etc.
But when over 50% of the race is under yellow like yesterday, I'm gone<G>

Like it's been said, it's just a game; some real world things are more
important to me in the above circumstances.

-John

I guess we shouldn't take Rascar *this* seriously :-)

by **Joachim Trens** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:10:34

persistence can be a virtue - or a little whacko ;-)

Achim

> > "Joachim Trensz"

> > > I'd actually also like to apologise for bailing out. But all those
yellows
> > > were more than my patience could take.

> > > I was still feeling ill (had had a bad stomach/intestinal virus this
week)
> > > and with the race taking so long, going back to the sofa seemed like
an
> > > incredibly attractive option more and more with every new lap under
yellow.
> > > Apologies, guys!

> > No commitment Joachim!

> > Remember when Mansell won Michigan with a migraine. They were giving him
> > paracetamol in his drinks bottle, and he was sick with about 25 laps to
go.
> > Can't have much fun for the poor girl giving him a kiss on the winner's
rostrum!

> > Though I guess we shouldn't take Rascar *this* seriously :-)

> How about this? I spent the WHOLE day doing yard work in 90-degree
> heat. I have 3/4 acre in south Texas, and I (naturally) have a riding
> lawnmower. I had half the front yard done, and had to get off the mower
> to clear some tree limbs that had been blown off by the previous rotten
> weather we'd had. When I went to get back on the mower, it wouldn't
> start (dead battery).

> I couldn't leave to go get a new battery because I was also waiting on
> our quarterly visit from the pest control company, so I ended up using
> an electric weed whacker to mow the orther half of the front lawn.
> After that, I had to pick up the clean up all that ***(rake up the
> mowed grass, and bag it) and the longer I worked, the worse I felt.

> Allergies, the heat, and the fact that all this physical activity was
> not in tune with my otherwise sedantary lifestyle made for one draggin'-
> ass redneck. I was bone tired and my allergies had fully kicked in by
> the time the race started.

> Notice however, that I finished the race. Tony knows that I feel there's
> is NO excuse to just quit - if you show up for practice, you should be
> there when the race is over (unless your car just plain isn't drivable
> and cannot be fixed). :)

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by **Tony Rickar** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 02:21:42

Thanks Tom

I guess I should be flattered at being called a "kiddie". I turn 40 this year

On reflection I am sure you did not intend to insult anyone - it just came
across that way - you do have a distinctive style!

Cheers

Tony

by **Jan Verschuere** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:01:11

Yep, Isotrip in the #53 dissappeared in the run up to the tunnel. Things
were bunching up ahead, but I felt I couldn't use up the space between
myself and the others to compemsate and keep my speed up because at any time
the #53 could rematerialise and cause a mess if it was superimposed on my
car. So I slowed too and Phil jammed me into the wall (and, because he kept
moving, his LPI remained intact... grrrrr!! ;-)).

Just looking for Tom's wisdom on how being more clued up about the unwritten
rules of NASCAR could have prevented that one.

Jan.
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by **John Pancoas** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:30:31

Lol, gotcha, good one :)

-John

by **Ed Whit** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 05:04:48

Jan, no rules on this one, the internet is a flaky place to race, my
thoughts are that if you and the invisible racer are both going as hard as
you can, and following your normal lines, then a second or two blink-out
won't cause much of a problem, he'll probably blink-in in the same relative
position, but any longer than that, and you have to assume he's gone( and if
he's not, he should be.....courtesy), so I would say "When in doubt, Gas
It!"
Ed

by **Phaso** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 06:03:57

view)

Hehe...on my replay, if I go to your in-car camera, I hear the wall scraping
noise for most of your braking into T3...I guess you were close enough to
trigger the sound on my replay even though you weren't into the
wall...that's close. :)

-Phasor

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 06:41:56

About a foot and a half from it. I guess that's pretty close. :-) I guess
the info sent to you guys was a little off. I've clipped that part of the
replay to send to you, but I don't think Bush would be interested. :-)

David G Fisher

by **Eldre** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:36:30

>Unfortunately people further up the order insisted on
>having accidents, pitting and ending up behind me. Fed up with being forced
>off line by cars much faster than myself

Sounds like my GPL career...

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:36:29

>It had nothing to do with the driver, Eldred. Just imagine what I saw in
>this moment:

>a car which all of a sudden had lost half a lap, was driving fairly slow and
>then seemed to get into trouble again although there was no need to hurry.

Fairly slow? I was pedalling as fast as I could - and just barely***
on...<g>
No worries, Achim - I just need to find more speed.

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:36:30

>To Eldred - keep trying and don't quit the races. Avoiding being hit is
>as important as avoiding hitting someone. Besides, you're not always
>gonna be the slowest in practice.

As I aluded to in my other reply - I don't have the confidence right now that I
*won't* take someone else out. I'm one of those drivers who would rather end
my own race by taking it off the track than crash into someone else.

You're welcome.

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:36:30

>> In other words, you didn't trust me restarting in front of you. That makes
>me
>> feel worse...

>I think he was actually saying that he had a choice - be a nice guy and
>let you stay on the lead lap, or keep 1st place. The choice was
>(logically) to keep 1st place.

Nah, he would have been in first place anyway. I'm not mad at Achim - he's a
racer. I'm mad at MYSELF for being so damned slow to be there in the FIRST
place.

I'm simply not very fast in N2002. Last in practice, last in the race. At
least this time I didn't bring out the first caution. I've caused the first
caution in probably 3 out of 5 races I've been in - solo crash. I don't
*think* I've affected anyone else when I crashed, but it still pissed me off.

Let's just say that I'm doubting my ability to keep from ruining the race for
someone else. Right now, I feel like 'King Hiro - that's NOT a good feeling to
have.

I can't. I'm having trouble staying with the AI even at 80-85%. Even if I do
happen to be faster than the AI, I usually eff it up somewhere. That's MY lack
of skill, and I can't blame anyone one or anything else for my shortcomings.
Shit happens...daily.

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by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:17:11

FWIW, I don't remember even once being affected negatively by anything you
did. I don't even think I've seen you do anything to anyone else that raised
an eyebrow.

David G Fisher

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:13:50

Might of just been a bad day for your internet connection. I practiced with
you at Pocono on Eldred's server earlier in the week and you weren't warping
at all then.

David G Fisher

> I am stumped as to why I was warping in the C***te race...what a bummer
> after other obligations caused me to miss the Pocono race, I was looking
> forward to C***te....I am on a cable connection, and have never before
> been told I was "warpy". Oh well it was a nice tight field, would have
been
> fun, sorry to anyone that I caused probs for....hopefully I can figure
> something out, but as I said it has never been a problem anywhere else.

> --
> Greg31

> >Well I'm not sure what comments Tom and you are referring to. Looking
back
> >through the replay at some of the incidents at Pocono, there wasn't
> anything
> >happening that was unique to NASCAR. Some vets made mistakes and also
some
> >new guys. I think two incidents may have been caused by a driver with a
> >connection problem. What was annoying was the number of times the pace
car
> >pulls you around the track when something minor happens.

> >The other RASCAR races have been very, very clean and fast so far,
> including
> >the follow up to Pocono at C***te. Like Kyle said, a few of us were
> >running nose to tail with no room for error for half the race on a very
> fast
> >and quick track, and the rest of the field was clean since we only had
two
> >cautions in 84 laps, one caused by a warping driver who politley
> >disconnected when he realized what was happening.

> >Also, there are plenty of wrecks in a real NASCAR race from what I've
seen
> >over the years. Those wrecks are actually a big reason many fans watch
the
> >races.

> >IMO, NASCAR sim racing certainly isn't as hard as F1.There hasn't been
> >anything really difficult to understand either in driving technique or
> rules
> >that I've come across since I bought N2002.

> >David G Fisher

> >> Tom, I'd have to agree with you. I was going to run Pocono today but
had
> >> other things to do and was glad I didn't.
> >> No offence to anyone in the RAS races but seems from the comments that
a
> >lot
> >> of you don't really understand NASCAR. Once you get off the big banked
> >> tracks there is a LOT more to the game than trying to run flat out all
> the
> >> time.
> >> Hopefully things improve and I can make a race sometime with you guys.

> >> > Sounds to me like a lot of you today found out there's a whole lot
more
> >to
> >> > NASCAR racing, than just turning in some quick laps during practice -
> >then
> >> > running solo until the race end. That's typical GPL - not NASCAR
> >racing.
> >> > Also, knowing the "official" NASCAR rules along with the "driver
> agreed"
> >> > un-official NASCAR rules is a key to racing in NASCAR.

> >> > How many people would play golf with you, if every time you hit your
> >ball
> >> > out of bounds, your opponent got the two-stroke penalty? Well, it
may
> >not
> >> > work that way in golf....but in NASCAR racing it does! When you
***
> >up,
> >> > usually you and one or two of your competitors "pay the penalty."
> Maybe
> >> > more!

> >> > I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the
> >"kiddies"
> >> > learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol...

> >> > TP

John
> >> > Simmons

> >> > > >7 cautions for 27 laps...

> >> > > Ooh, that was depressing. My car didn't load, and no one else had
my
> >> > number.
> >> > > I was *supposed* to be driving Ryan Newman's #12. It worked fine
> LAST
> >> > week,
> >> > > but not today. Didn't change a THING. Slower than everyone in the
> >> field
> >> > AGAIN
> >> > > during practice. This is getting monotonous. Started almost last,
> >> ahead
> >> > of a
> >> > > couple of cars that didn't get a qual effort. During the second
> >> caution,
> >> > I got
> >> > > hit from behind on the pace lap and damaged. Thought I would be
> given
> >> the
> >> > > black flag for speeding on pit road, so I drove through the pits on
> >the
> >> > > restart. Third caution, I got caught out when everyone slowed down
> >> right
> >> > when
> >> > > the flag dropped. I passed a car, and got a black flag for passing
> on
> >> the
> >> > left
> >> > > before the s/f line. That's a stupid ***ing rule, IMO. Come in
to
> >> serve
> >> > the
> >> > > penalty, get out about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He's
> >> > catching me
> >> > > at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's
> >about
> >> 3
> >> > > seconds behind. Cool - I can make up my lap. Surely he won't
force
> >the
> >> > issue
> >> > > and lap me. Wrong - he got me coming out of turn 3 to put me a lap
> >> down.
> >> > All
> >> > > this within at MOST 15 laps. At that point, it wasn't even worth
the
> >> > effort to
> >> > > continue. I pulled off the track and quit. I was so pissed that I
> >> didn't
> >> > even
> >> > > bother to run at C***te. At least I hope *someone* had fun
> today -
> >> it
> >> > sure
> >> > > in hell wasn't me... :(

> >> > > Eldred
> >> > > --
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> >> > > GPLRank - under construction...

> >> > > Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start
> of
> >> > 0-12???
> >> > > Currently at 0-9 as of April12th...stay tuned...
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by **Isotrip** » Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:54:36

As soon as I noticed my connection Bar Graph was spiking way high I tried to
get my car off of the track as quickly and safely as possible. This entire
situation left me feeling very uncomfortable as I had cars ahead of me as
well as behind me that I had no way of knowing where they were (would be)
located when I would warp back in. I fear that I caused an incident with
this entire situation. I hope not but I fear that it is true, as I finally
had gotten my car stopped so I could "Retire" and got back to the Session
Screen it showed up as everyone racing back to the yellow. If I did cause an
incident, then I really do apologize! I can only say that I tried my best to
avoid any incident due to this. I have posted about this as well as my
apology to the #31 car for an earlier incident in the race, at the RASCAR
Forum.

Up to this Warp incident I was have a great time, and what I seen around me
within the race everyone was racing clean and giving room. So I feel even
worse for being the possible cause of a major incident. I may not be the
fastest on the track but I do take pride in being a clean racer that is
aware of the written and non-written rules of NASCAR, and then something
such as this happens. :o(

I do plan to race again if I can figure out some way to get some type of
broadband connection. At this point the only one availible to me is Via
Sattelite, and the Initial cost is a bit out of my price range at the
moment. So it very well may be quite some time before I can race again with
the RAS group.

again sorry!

- Isotrip?

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