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by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:53:27

I think you haven't got the premise for these races straight.

The way I understand it, the whole idea behind setting up these races was
for those in RAS who are/were not quite that familiar with NASCAR racing and
were scared off by the N4 online climate to be able race and learn from
those more experienced without having to worry about their wrath and for
both to race away from the wreckers which ruin pick-up racing.

If you were expecting some super elite, better than real life racing
extravaganza then that's most unfortunate.

I agree the Pocono race was pretty bad, but, from what little NASCAR
coverage we get here, I gather the Pro's have races like that too.

BTW: what rule, written or otherwise, covers how much distance one should
leave if there's an invisible car between one's car and the next competitor
ahead?

Jan.
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by **ZZ Busc** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:51:19

Besides,
ZZ Busch thought it was all his fault so shhhhh. :-)

David G Fisher

Hey!!!
I did feel bad hitting you. But I did get help. I think I would've missed
you if not for the tap. But that's Nascar racing.

ZZ

by **ZZ Busc** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:56:46

I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the "kiddies"
learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol...

TP

Now that just stinks of snobbery. I learn more racing with veterans then
rookies. Driving lines, pit stategy, etc.
The first few races with a new group is always a learning experience. How
people drive etc.

ZZ

by **ZZ Busc** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:58:23

Tom, that was a silly thing to say. I think you have to do some catching up
on some of the 'driver agreed' rules, too.

Achim

At least it wasn't a 10 page diatribe!! LOL

ZZ

by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:09:24

In which way is this different from the two roadcourses we'd already
succesfully absorbed? -Or from any roadcoarse in GPL for that matter? To
paraphrase JPM "Just 3 turn, each with clearly defined brake markers... how
difficult can it be?"

I will agree to this one... the corners are of the "wait a while"-type.
Seems to take forever before you can get the power down again. No question
the NASCAR veterans were able to keep more speed up than I was,
unfortunately some couldn't imagine anybody going any slower.

Tracks were announced a week ago. That said, to practise I went from memory
and only discovered after the Pocono race I had practised the wrong speedway
(Darlington instead of C***te) and I went into the 2nd race cold. Don't
think anybody really noticed, though.

Jan.
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by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:12:14

What does "check up" mean? Does it mean braking early? I have no idea. I
wasn't into the wall at all though (as can be seen from the helicopter view)
I braked late and stayed wide, leaving the "ideal line" open until we get
close to the apex. I did that on every lap with T3 except when I passed
someone on the inside. Right up close to the wall on entry but never hitting
it. I basically follow the ideal line Papy shows with the "r" key except I
brake a bit later and I go slightly wider and deeper before going for the
apex. I do the same thing on entry to all three corners at Pocono actually.
The replay shows you getting hit hard from behind and then basically shot
into me.

David G Fisher

by **Eldre** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:36:45

>I'm not sure why we had all the yellows today. I just wish the pace car
>didn't take us around and around when one lap would do.

All the races so far have had yellows enabled, so I set that one up the same
way.

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:36:45

>No offence to anyone in the RAS races but seems from the comments that a lot
>of you don't really understand NASCAR. Once you get off the big banked
>tracks there is a LOT more to the game than trying to run flat out all the
>time.

Such as?

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:36:45

>Sounds to me like a lot of you today found out there's a whole lot more to
>NASCAR racing, than just turning in some quick laps during practice - then
>running solo until the race end. That's typical GPL - not NASCAR racing.
>Also, knowing the "official" NASCAR rules along with the "driver agreed"
>un-official NASCAR rules is a key to racing in NASCAR.

>How many people would play golf with you, if every time you hit your ball
>out of bounds, your opponent got the two-stroke penalty? Well, it may not
>work that way in golf....but in NASCAR racing it does! When you***up,
>usually you and one or two of your competitors "pay the penalty." Maybe
>more!

>I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the "kiddies"
>learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol...

"Kiddies"? Why do you insist on being such a jerk, Tom? You seem to get a
delight out of others' misfortunes. The fact that I'm slow doesn't mean that I
shouldn't be racing, does it? Most of my races I *do* end up running solo,
whether it's Nascar or GPL.
Tell you what...you can stay out of ALL of my races...it's fine by me.

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:36:44

>Hi Eldred,

>apologies for taking the lap from you at that point.

>I'd actually decided to stay behind you to let you remain on the lead lap.
>But then you seemed to get into trouble in T3, ran wide and slowed down
>considerably (did you hit the wall?), and that sort of made me think it
>would be strategically better for my own direct battle with JohnP to not
>have to deal with passing you after the restart.

In other words, you didn't trust me restarting in front of you. That makes me
feel worse...

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by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:39:53

What I mean by "yellows" is accidents.

David G Fisher

> >I'm not sure why we had all the yellows today. I just wish the pace car
> >didn't take us around and around when one lap would do.

> All the races so far have had yellows enabled, so I set that one up the
same
> way.

> Eldred
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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:54:59

I think you did pretty well Tony. :)

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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:59:09

There's not a thing in the world wrong with the fast setup for Pocono.
It's amtter of playing with the hand you're dealt, and adjusting your
driving style. I think the problem was that some people didn't practice
as much as others. I ran three 30-lpa races offline, and I think it paid
off if you ignore the two brain farts I had.

You don't get incident points for causing an incident, you get them if
you're *involved* in one, whether you're the cause or not. The game has
no way of knowing who caused it.

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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:00:30

says...

> Yep. Sorry for bailing, but in those kind of conditions, got other things
> to do :)

> -John

> > "John Simmons" wrote...
> > > 7 cautions for 27 laps...

> > I'm as amazed as you are... it's not *that* hard a track, IMO, and the
> > people who run in these races are generally very solid. Fixed fast setup
> was
> > a pig though (IMNSHO), perhaps some people just pushed too hard to get to
> > the sort of times they thought they ought to be doing. Was it Mario
> Andretti
> > who said "you can't go fast on an oval until the car is ready to go fast"?

> > Jan./still ticked off about the game blaming me for an incident I didn't
> > cause.
> > =---
> > PS.: not to mention it completely messing me up on a yellow flag pitstop
> at
> > C***te. Two cautions at C***te BTW, one caused by a severly warping
> > car.

The whole point of racing is finishing.

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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:01:50

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