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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:03:01

> > 7 cautions for 27 laps...
> Hey guys, had a lot of fun racing with you today, you're all pretty fast, I
> gotta say, I did not make one competitive pass all race long, till that last
> lap shootout, I was able to drag race to the line and just squeezed
> by......to get 5th. In between the wrecks, there was some veeeerry close
> racing at times, the kind that makes you pucker up. All good fun.......
> Ed

I recall being right on your rear bumper a couple times ed, and I'm the
guy you beat to the finish line for 5th (grrr). :)

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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:04:31

> > "John Simmons" wrote...
> > > 7 cautions for 27 laps...

> > I'm as amazed as you are... it's not *that* hard a track, IMO, and the

> I dunno, from my limited experience, I find high speed turns are always a
> recipe for wrecks because you are on the limit the whole way and there is
> simply no room for error. I found the pucker factor was just too high and
> only attempted passing on the straights.

Welcome to Nascar... :)

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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:10:41

I think you should run the races Tom. I'd like to see how many of the
GPL/F1 guys would burn up their tires WAY too early (GPL's tire wear
model was lacking)

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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:18:52

> > I wanted to apologize for my role in caution #7, from my replay it looked
> > like DGF got into the wall in turn 3, ZZ Busch checked up and I pushed him
> > into DGF. I think (hope) it was the only one I was involved in.

> > Thats what it seemed like from my seat. I did check up for David. As they
> > say, I guess it's one of them Nascar racing deals. It comes from racing
> > close together. No reaction time, I guess.

> What does "check up" mean? Does it mean braking early? I have no idea.

It's a term used in nascar when a driver has to brake to avoid a problem
(either real or imagined).

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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:28:57

> >Hi Eldred,

> >apologies for taking the lap from you at that point.

> >I'd actually decided to stay behind you to let you remain on the lead lap.
> >But then you seemed to get into trouble in T3, ran wide and slowed down
> >considerably (did you hit the wall?), and that sort of made me think it
> >would be strategically better for my own direct battle with JohnP to not
> >have to deal with passing you after the restart.

> In other words, you didn't trust me restarting in front of you. That makes me
> feel worse...

I think he was actually saying that he had a choice - be a nice guy and
let you stay on the lead lap, or keep 1st place. The choice was
(logically) to keep 1st place.

Eldred, I think you're taking this too hard dude. I'm almost NEVER the
fastest in practice (usually middle of the pack), but pracftice isn't
where it counts. What counts is how clean you race and that you DON'T
QUIT.

If you can keep out of trouble and pit smart, you can usually eek out a
better position than you originally thought you would. If your race
ends with you driving something that looks anything like a car, so what?
As long as you make a decent effort to stay out of the way of the rest
of the field, you finished, and that's all that counts. I have only
quite a couple of races and that was because the connection degraded
after I joined it.

Nobody's gonna think any less of you for finishing poorly. What we
notice is how you drive while you're on the track. I think you should
just have fun and race, get a feel for the way the cars react in certain
situations, and put in a couple of practice races against the AI (set
them at 94%). When you can keep up with them at that rate, you'll be
going at least as fast as I am.

If you want to practice your passing technique, run the AI down to 91-
92%.

The key is to have fun.

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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:42:11

I think some of us have lost track of what this is all about. We're not
racing for points, there's no money oinvolved, and unless you reall give
a rat's ass about rankings and the much idolized LPI, they're not a
factor either.

We're just a bunch of guys that have managed to form a unique little
band of racers who only want a chance to race clean once in a while. We
don't have to worry aboput intentional wrecking, jump-starters, or many
of the other typically moronic moves we see in pickup races. I for one
am damn glad of that.

The fact that I've raced with many of you before (either Nascar or GPL)
is an added bonus because there's a certain amount of rib-jabbing and
good-natured criticism that we can all give/take from one another
without going over the edge into an all-out fame fest. Unlike the
pickuip races, most of our cautions are caused by "one of them racin'
deals".

To Eldred - keep trying and don't quit the races. Avoiding being hit is
as important as avoiding hitting someone. Besides, you're not always
gonna be the slowest in practice.

To Tom - we need you there simply because you're a good teacher. Your
lofty ideals are to be commended, but you gotta give the rest of us a
little latitude where mistakes are concerned. They're simply gonna
happen.

To John Pancoast and Achim - Slow the f*ck down and let the rest of us
keep up so we can at least have the illusion of being competitive. :)

C'mon guys, it's just a game, and I don't know about the rest of you,
but I'm here to have fun. Run the complete race no matter how bored you
are - we ALL need the track time in a controlled environment like
Eldred's server (and many thanks to Eldred for running it).

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by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:49:07

Of course, in a fixed setup race one has to drive around any problems the
setup may pose. I was just saying it was perhaps easier for me to accept the
times I was doing than for those who are habituated to running faster times.

I hadn't had as much practise as I would have liked and therefore tried to
keep out of harms way. Unfortunately people further up the order insisted on
having accidents, pitting and ending up behind me. Fed up with being forced
off line by cars much faster than myself I eventually just let them go at
the last but one yellow. I was going to attempt staying ahead on the last
lap green dash, but it seems a couple competitors took a bit of a run at the
restart and I had to yield.

Ah I see... that kind of sucks, IMO.

by **Schoone** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:55:05

Different because on a road course you don't have the same speeds going into
the corners and you don't run as tight going into the turns like you do at
Pocono.

by **Ed Whit** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:11:22

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> Eldred, I think you're taking this too hard dude. I'm almost NEVER the
> fastest in practice (usually middle of the pack), but pracftice isn't
> where it counts. What counts is how clean you race and that you DON'T
> QUIT.

> If you can keep out of trouble and pit smart, you can usually eek out a
> better position than you originally thought you would. If your race
> ends with you driving something that looks anything like a car, so what?
> As long as you make a decent effort to stay out of the way of the rest
> of the field, you finished, and that's all that counts. I have only
> quite a couple of races and that was because the connection degraded
> after I joined it.

Eldred, first of all, thanks for hosting the races, you were gone before I
had a chance to say that, and next, everything John says above is correct, I
was by no means the fastest guy out there, I gave maybe a little too much
room when guys got inside me (and did not get wrecked) , kept from running
into the back of people, and finished the race in 5th with a clean
car.....except I could see the hood, but that was all me :^) Nascar
races with yellows enabled are long term endeavors, no matter how good a
move you make on lap 2, the race ends at lap 50, or 100, and I've had the
pleasure of winning races from a lap down, when I've had a 3rd place car and
1st and 2nd take each other out, and yes, occasionally, from just being
faster......it's all for fun, but you've got to be there at the end to see
what happens. I'll admit that my 5th place finish is nothing to write home
about, but in my first race with you folks I didn't want to run the risk of
being labeled an idiot by making bad/risky moves.......that's next week!
Ed

by **Ian** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:08:33

John, that is a great attitude, hope to race with you soon :)

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by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:26:05

I always finish, when there's actually a race.<G> Hmmm......soccer
outside with the kids on a nice, sunny spring day, or driving pace laps over
and over.......easy decision<G>

-John

by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:31:22

Yep Tony. A bit on the harsh side there Tom.

-John

by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:37:16

Not sure what you mena here Jan; a warping car ?

-John

by **Greg3** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:37:28

I am stumped as to why I was warping in the C***te race...what a bummer
after other obligations caused me to miss the Pocono race, I was looking
forward to C***te....I am on a cable connection, and have never before
been told I was "warpy". Oh well it was a nice tight field, would have been
fun, sorry to anyone that I caused probs for....hopefully I can figure
something out, but as I said it has never been a problem anywhere else.

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>Well I'm not sure what comments Tom and you are referring to. Looking back
>through the replay at some of the incidents at Pocono, there wasn't
anything
>happening that was unique to NASCAR. Some vets made mistakes and also some
>new guys. I think two incidents may have been caused by a driver with a
>connection problem. What was annoying was the number of times the pace car
>pulls you around the track when something minor happens.

>The other RASCAR races have been very, very clean and fast so far,
including
>the follow up to Pocono at C***te. Like Kyle said, a few of us were
>running nose to tail with no room for error for half the race on a very
fast
>and quick track, and the rest of the field was clean since we only had two
>cautions in 84 laps, one caused by a warping driver who politley
>disconnected when he realized what was happening.

>Also, there are plenty of wrecks in a real NASCAR race from what I've seen
>over the years. Those wrecks are actually a big reason many fans watch the
>races.

>IMO, NASCAR sim racing certainly isn't as hard as F1.There hasn't been
>anything really difficult to understand either in driving technique or
rules
>that I've come across since I bought N2002.

>David G Fisher

>> Tom, I'd have to agree with you. I was going to run Pocono today but had
>> other things to do and was glad I didn't.
>> No offence to anyone in the RAS races but seems from the comments that a
>lot
>> of you don't really understand NASCAR. Once you get off the big banked
>> tracks there is a LOT more to the game than trying to run flat out all
the
>> time.
>> Hopefully things improve and I can make a race sometime with you guys.

>> > Sounds to me like a lot of you today found out there's a whole lot more
>to
>> > NASCAR racing, than just turning in some quick laps during practice -
>then
>> > running solo until the race end. That's typical GPL - not NASCAR
>racing.
>> > Also, knowing the "official" NASCAR rules along with the "driver
agreed"
>> > un-official NASCAR rules is a key to racing in NASCAR.

>> > How many people would play golf with you, if every time you hit your
>ball
>> > out of bounds, your opponent got the two-stroke penalty? Well, it may
>not
>> > work that way in golf....but in NASCAR racing it does! When you***
>up,
>> > usually you and one or two of your competitors "pay the penalty."
Maybe
>> > more!

>> > I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the
>"kiddies"
>> > learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol...

>> > TP

>> > Simmons

>> > > >7 cautions for 27 laps...

>> > > Ooh, that was depressing. My car didn't load, and no one else had my
>> > number.
>> > > I was *supposed* to be driving Ryan Newman's #12. It worked fine
LAST
>> > week,
>> > > but not today. Didn't change a THING. Slower than everyone in the
>> field
>> > AGAIN
>> > > during practice. This is getting monotonous. Started almost last,
>> ahead
>> > of a
>> > > couple of cars that didn't get a qual effort. During the second
>> caution,
>> > I got
>> > > hit from behind on the pace lap and damaged. Thought I would be
given
>> the
>> > > black flag for speeding on pit road, so I drove through the pits on
>the
>> > > restart. Third caution, I got caught out when everyone slowed down
>> right
>> > when
>> > > the flag dropped. I passed a car, and got a black flag for passing
on
>> the
>> > left
>> > > before the s/f line. That's a stupid ***ing rule, IMO. Come in to
>> serve
>> > the
>> > > penalty, get out about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He's
>> > catching me
>> > > at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's
>about
>> 3
>> > > seconds behind. Cool - I can make up my lap. Surely he won't force
>the
>> > issue
>> > > and lap me. Wrong - he got me coming out of turn 3 to put me a lap
>> down.
>> > All
>> > > this within at MOST 15 laps. At that point, it wasn't even worth the
>> > effort to
>> > > continue. I pulled off the track and quit. I was so pissed that I
>> didn't
>> > even
>> > > bother to run at C***te. At least I hope *someone* had fun
today -
>> it
>> > sure
>> > > in hell wasn't me... :(

>> > > Eldred
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>> > > Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start
of
>> > 0-12???
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by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:40:01

Exactlly John, thanks. Btw, my comments about Pocono are not meant as a
slam on anyone; it's to be expected. Whole idea is to have fun, and for
those new to Nascar sims, to learn, which will make things more fun for
them.

-John

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