rec.autos.simulators

by **John Cauthe** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:13:24

I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in my system,
but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding D3D and
OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have
anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the video goes
dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only way out
is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it unstable.

I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 drivers just
for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains and is still
intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the only one having a
problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more stable.
Should I go back and install them?

Thanks in advance!

John Cauthen

by **Will DeRiver** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:38:13

What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =)
--
- Will DeRivera
- GPL Rank 113.13, damn the 'ring!
- http://www.numic.net
- http://www.luxt.com

by **Ryan** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:53:40

What are your system temps like, particularly your case temp? This is
almost always a heat related issue, and I solved mine by adding two
additional case fans to help move air through the case. Does your video
card have a fan on it or just a heatsink?

Good luck,
Ryan

by **John Cauthe** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:59:37

> > I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in my
system,
> > but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding D3D and
> > OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have
> > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the video
goes
> > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only way
out
> > is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it unstable.

> > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 drivers
> just
> > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains and is
still
> > intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the only one
having
> a
> > problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more stable.
> > Should I go back and install them?

> What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =)

It's a Celeron 900 overclocked to 1200 at 1.85 volts. I also have a Sound
Blaster Live Value card. I'm running on an ABit BH6 motherboard, and I'm
using 256 MB of Micron PC-133 RAM.

Thanks,

John

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by **John Cauthe** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:02:31

System temp is 86 deg F, case temperature is 77 degrees F (never higher).
I've actually got the case off the enclosure right now just to preclude that
possibility.

My video card has a fan on the heatsink. Is there a way to monitor the card
temp? If so, where's the best place to monitor it?

Thanks!

John

by **Ren?? van Lobbereg** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:01:34

> > > I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card
> > > in my system, but it seems to have some sort of problem when
> > > running demanding D3D and OpenGL applications. Most noteable
> > > are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have anything greater than 1X AGP
> > > enabled, it's not long before the video goes dark and the audio
> > > goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only way out is to
> > > reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it
> > > unstable.

> > > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41
> > > drivers just for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the
> > > problem remains and is still intolerable. Is there a work
> > > around for this or am I the only one having a problem? I'm
> > > hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more stable.
> > > Should I go back and install them?

> > What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =)

> It's a Celeron 900 overclocked to 1200 at 1.85 volts. I also have
> a Sound Blaster Live Value card. I'm running on an ABit BH6
> motherboard, and I'm using 256 MB of Micron PC-133 RAM.

> Thanks,

> John

The BH6 seems to be the problem here.
I used to have one and loved it, it's a great board. But it also is
pre GeForce, and seems to have too weak powersupply to the AGP port.
I experienced the same problems as you, and the only thing that
helped me was replacing the BH6 for a modern board that is build to
supply powerhungry modern graphics cards.
Never had the problem again.

--
Ren van Lobberegt, The Netherlands.

by **John Cauthe** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:51:09

The BH6 seems to be the problem here.
I used to have one and loved it, it's a great board. But it also is
pre GeForce, and seems to have too weak powersupply to the AGP port.
I experienced the same problems as you, and the only thing that
helped me was replacing the BH6 for a modern board that is build to
supply powerhungry modern graphics cards.
Never had the problem again.

I see... now that you say it, that makes a lot of sense, Rene. Also, my
system only has a 250 watt power supply; but I don't know if that has any
bearing on it or not. There's no way to regulate the power the BH6 sends to
the AGP slot? I really like the MB, I hate to part with it...

Thanks for your help!

John

--
Ren van Lobberegt, The Netherlands.

by **Ryan** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:11:44

I don't know about monitoring the video card, I suppose you could buy a temp
sensor and plug it in to your motherboard if if has the ability to do so.
But from reading about your system and also the temperatures you gave, I
think Rene is right - your motherboard is to blame.

Ryan

by **John Cauthe** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:48:53

I'd have to look into the motherboard temp sensor options. Having read
Rene's comments, I then did a search on Google for BH6/Geforce 2 GTS
problems and find that others are having the same problem to some degree or
another. It's funny, my Geforce 2 MX 400 didn't have a problem at all. I
guess it's the added demands of the GTS that's at play here. It seems like
there would be a way I could boost the supply voltage and/or power to the
AGP slot... I'm going to look into that option for a while. The fiddler in
me can't resist this challenge! :-)

John

by **Marc Collin** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:46:28

Simple--stop overclocking and see if the problem goes away. It likely will.

Marc

> > > I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in my
> system,
> > > but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding D3D
and
> > > OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have
> > > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the video
> goes
> > > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only way
> out
> > > is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it
unstable.

> > > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 drivers
> > just
> > > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains and is
> still
> > > intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the only one
> having
> > a
> > > problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more stable.
> > > Should I go back and install them?

> > What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =)

> It's a Celeron 900 overclocked to 1200 at 1.85 volts. I also have a Sound
> Blaster Live Value card. I'm running on an ABit BH6 motherboard, and I'm
> using 256 MB of Micron PC-133 RAM.

> Thanks,

> John
> > --
> > - Will DeRivera
> > - GPL Rank 113.13, damn the 'ring!
> > - http://www.numic.net
> > - http://www.luxt.com

by **John Cauthe** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:04:44

will.

I"ve ruled out overclocking as the problem. I can stick my Geforce 2 MX in
this same computer and it doesn't miss a beat. I think Rene is onto
something concerning my ABit Bh6's inability to supply the GTS adequate
power via the AGP slot. My FSB is 133 MHz, which sets the card up with the
optimum clock speed.

Thanks,

John Cauthen

> Marc

> > > > I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in my
> > system,
> > > > but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding D3D
> and
> > > > OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have
> > > > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the video
> > goes
> > > > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only
way
> > out
> > > > is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it
> unstable.

> > > > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41
drivers
> > > just
> > > > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains and is
> > still
> > > > intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the only one
> > having
> > > a
> > > > problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more
stable.
> > > > Should I go back and install them?

> > > What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =)

> > It's a Celeron 900 overclocked to 1200 at 1.85 volts. I also have a
Sound
> > Blaster Live Value card. I'm running on an ABit BH6 motherboard, and
I'm
> > using 256 MB of Micron PC-133 RAM.

> > Thanks,

> > John
> > > --
> > > - Will DeRivera
> > > - GPL Rank 113.13, damn the 'ring!
> > > - http://www.numic.net
> > > - http://www.luxt.com

by **Tim** » Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:23:06

That doesnt rule out overclocking
The combination of oc' and the nvidia 32mb video hp may be the culprit
Youll have to turn off the oc' With the GF2 card and test to be sure
The Mx card doesnt have near the hp so the oc' isnt affected (near as much)

--
Tim White
INTRAC Motorsports
www.birds-i-view.com/intrac

> > Simple--stop overclocking and see if the problem goes away. It likely
> will.

> I"ve ruled out overclocking as the problem. I can stick my Geforce 2 MX
in
> this same computer and it doesn't miss a beat. I think Rene is onto
> something concerning my ABit Bh6's inability to supply the GTS adequate
> power via the AGP slot. My FSB is 133 MHz, which sets the card up with
the
> optimum clock speed.

> Thanks,

> John Cauthen

> > Marc

> > > > > I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in my
> > > system,
> > > > > but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding
D3D
> > and
> > > > > OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I
have
> > > > > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the
video
> > > goes
> > > > > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only
> way
> > > out
> > > > > is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it
> > unstable.

> > > > > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41
> drivers
> > > > just
> > > > > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains and
is
> > > still
> > > > > intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the only one
> > > having
> > > > a
> > > > > problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more
> stable.
> > > > > Should I go back and install them?

> > > > What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =)

> > > It's a Celeron 900 overclocked to 1200 at 1.85 volts. I also have a
> Sound
> > > Blaster Live Value card. I'm running on an ABit BH6 motherboard, and
> I'm
> > > using 256 MB of Micron PC-133 RAM.

> > > Thanks,

> > > John
> > > > --
> > > > - Will DeRivera
> > > > - GPL Rank 113.13, damn the 'ring!
> > > > - http://www.numic.net
> > > > - http://www.luxt.com

by **Tim** » Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:24:54

Also make sue you have at least a 300w ps
Very inexpensive to replace

--
Tim White
INTRAC Motorsports
www.birds-i-view.com/intrac

> > I don't know about monitoring the video card, I suppose you could buy a
> temp
> > sensor and plug it in to your motherboard if if has the ability to do
so.
> > But from reading about your system and also the temperatures you gave, I
> > think Rene is right - your motherboard is to blame.

> I'd have to look into the motherboard temp sensor options. Having read
> Rene's comments, I then did a search on Google for BH6/Geforce 2 GTS
> problems and find that others are having the same problem to some degree
or
> another. It's funny, my Geforce 2 MX 400 didn't have a problem at all. I
> guess it's the added demands of the GTS that's at play here. It seems
like
> there would be a way I could boost the supply voltage and/or power to the
> AGP slot... I'm going to look into that option for a while. The fiddler
in
> me can't resist this challenge! :-)

> John

by **John Cauthe** » Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:31:30

much)

Okay, just to rule out oc'ing the CPU as the fault, I switched the FSB back
to default (100 Mhz). It didn't make any difference whatsover. The crashes
occur with the same frequency and the same symptoms.

I did notice something that I find even more peculiar. The GTS will
actually operate longer before shutting down if I run it at 4X AGP, versus
2X AGP!? It runs steady (at either FSB speed) with AGP 1X selected.
However, if I go in and enable sidebanding, I'll get a shutdown in 15 to 20
minutes.

The further I go with this, the evidence I'm finding to support Rene's
analysis of this problem, ie., inadequate power to the AGP slot.

Thanks for your suggestions Tim, it did help to exclude these possibilities!

John Cauthen

> --
> Tim White
> INTRAC Motorsports
> www.birds-i-view.com/intrac

> > > Simple--stop overclocking and see if the problem goes away. It likely
> > will.

> > I"ve ruled out overclocking as the problem. I can stick my Geforce 2 MX
> in
> > this same computer and it doesn't miss a beat. I think Rene is onto
> > something concerning my ABit Bh6's inability to supply the GTS adequate
> > power via the AGP slot. My FSB is 133 MHz, which sets the card up with
> the
> > optimum clock speed.

> > Thanks,

> > John Cauthen

> > > Marc

> > > > > > I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in
my
> > > > system,
> > > > > > but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding
> D3D
> > > and
> > > > > > OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I
> have
> > > > > > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the
> video
> > > > goes
> > > > > > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The
only
> > way
> > > > out
> > > > > > is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it
> > > unstable.

> > > > > > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41
> > drivers
> > > > > just
> > > > > > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains
and
> is
> > > > still
> > > > > > intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the only
one
> > > > having
> > > > > a
> > > > > > problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more
> > stable.
> > > > > > Should I go back and install them?

> > > > > What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =)

> > > > It's a Celeron 900 overclocked to 1200 at 1.85 volts. I also have a
> > Sound
> > > > Blaster Live Value card. I'm running on an ABit BH6 motherboard,
and
> > I'm
> > > > using 256 MB of Micron PC-133 RAM.

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > John
> > > > > --
> > > > > - Will DeRivera
> > > > > - GPL Rank 113.13, damn the 'ring!
> > > > > - http://www.numic.net
> > > > > - http://www.luxt.com

by **John Cauthe** » Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:34:20

I might just stick a 300 watt power supply in there before I do anything
else. The 250 watt job that's in there now is 5 years old and has seen
plenty of use. I'll let you know how this turns out; I'm sure I'm not the
only one dealing with this issue concerning the GTS card and older MB's.

Mucho thanko!

John Cauthen

> --
> Tim White
> INTRAC Motorsports
> www.birds-i-view.com/intrac

> > > I don't know about monitoring the video card, I suppose you could buy
a
> > temp
> > > sensor and plug it in to your motherboard if if has the ability to do
> so.
> > > But from reading about your system and also the temperatures you gave,
I
> > > think Rene is right - your motherboard is to blame.

> > I'd have to look into the motherboard temp sensor options. Having read
> > Rene's comments, I then did a search on Google for BH6/Geforce 2 GTS
> > problems and find that others are having the same problem to some degree
> or
> > another. It's funny, my Geforce 2 MX 400 didn't have a problem at all.
I
> > guess it's the added demands of the GTS that's at play here. It seems
> like
> > there would be a way I could boost the supply voltage and/or power to
the
> > AGP slot... I'm going to look into that option for a while. The fiddler
> in
> > me can't resist this challenge! :-)

> > John

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