Cable racers?
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Dave Long
Memphis TN
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Dave Long
Memphis TN
> --
> Dave Long
> Memphis TN
-Larry
> --
> Dave Long
> Memphis TN
Robert
> -Larry
> > Are there any N3 leagues being setup ? If so are any being
restricted to
> > Cable racers?
> > --
> > Dave Long
> > Memphis TN
-Larry
> Robert
> > This is a good idea.
> > -Larry
> > > Are there any N3 leagues being setup ? If so are any being
> restricted to
> > > Cable racers?
> > > --
> > > Dave Long
> > > Memphis TN
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Sort of reminds me of the hosts who insist on setting latency
restrictions in GPL to less than 550ms as well, etc.. (see clueless)
<G>
Cheers,
Ron
> Robert
> > This is a good idea.
> > -Larry
> > > Are there any N3 leagues being setup ? If so are any being
> restricted to
> > > Cable racers?
> > > --
> > > Dave Long
> > > Memphis TN
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
By the way, I don't have a 3 car garage or a 6 figure bank account, and I
am offended that you have incinuated that I am "clueless". Frankly, you
don't know me from Adam !!!
_
Dave Long
Memphis TN
> Sort of reminds me of the hosts who insist on setting latency
> restrictions in GPL to less than 550ms as well, etc.. (see clueless)
> <G>
> Cheers,
> Ron
> > Sorry if I'm stupid, but why restrict them to cable users? A regular
> > telephone modem may not have the capability of hosting 30 cars in a
> race
> > but you can join without causing troubles to others ? Right ?
> > Robert
> > > This is a good idea.
> > > -Larry
> > > > Are there any N3 leagues being setup ? If so are any being
> > restricted to
> > > > Cable racers?
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Long
> > > > Memphis TN
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
I do have a dial up connection with Concentric (as well as my newly aquiered
cable connection), and I did not say that there was anything wrong with
them. But, I AM a SERIOUS gamer when it comes to Racing and I want my online
experience to be the absolute best it can be. I am tierd of people taking me
out because of warps or BLAMMING warp for wrecking the field. I'm sure there
will be MANY leagues availible for Dial up racers, and I will be part of
them as well. I simply asked if there would be a league for Cable racers to
get the BEST posible racing expierence availible. I have raced with a field
of cable racers and the racing was SOLID as a ROCK.
Cable connections are the future of our sport, Like it or Not !!!
(P.S.) I don't have a garage (only a carport) or a 6 figure bank account (I
think there is about $800 in it) so please don't get so damn sarcastic and
start calling people "clueless", they may be offended
_
Dave Long
Memphis TN
> Sort of reminds me of the hosts who insist on setting latency
> restrictions in GPL to less than 550ms as well, etc.. (see clueless)
> <G>
> Cheers,
> Ron
> > Sorry if I'm stupid, but why restrict them to cable users? A regular
> > telephone modem may not have the capability of hosting 30 cars in a
> race
> > but you can join without causing troubles to others ? Right ?
> > Robert
> > > This is a good idea.
> > > -Larry
> > > > Are there any N3 leagues being setup ? If so are any being
> > restricted to
> > > > Cable racers?
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Long
> > > > Memphis TN
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Please don't be mislead by promisses made by cable providers. They
can't deliver the goods yet, at least from my experiences. I have a
cable connection, and so does ric Cot who manages a huge GPL site and
online racing leagues, and we both can attest that we are having major
disconnection problems when we host.
At the beginning of my signing up with Videotron, an internet cable
provider here in the province of Qubec, all was great as I was able to
host and get 15/20 clients with maybe 1 or 2 disconnections. But now,
for some reason, I can hardly keep 2 or 3 clients. And the excuse my
provider uses, is that they don't ALLOW and SUPPORT customers using
their computers as servers. ric Cot, who lives 10 minutes away from
me, gets booted out of my races and I get booted out of his.
About a mounth ago, I hosted a league practice race ( Founders Cup ) and
as I was sitting in the garage watching in horror clients from
Canada, upper NY State, California, etc, get booted out left and right,
only two out of 12 remained, and one of them was Ron Ayton who lives in
Australia, by far my farthest client at that time.
Cable connection for me is very fast but unstable. I am looking for
alternatives as I do not get the support and service I need from my
provider.
Robert =:-D
> I do have a dial up connection with Concentric (as well as my newly
aquiered
> cable connection), and I did not say that there was anything wrong
with
> them. But, I AM a SERIOUS gamer when it comes to Racing and I want my
online
> experience to be the absolute best it can be. I am tierd of people
taking me
> out because of warps or BLAMMING warp for wrecking the field. I'm sure
there
> will be MANY leagues availible for Dial up racers, and I will be part
of
> them as well. I simply asked if there would be a league for Cable
racers to
> get the BEST posible racing expierence availible. I have raced with a
field
> of cable racers and the racing was SOLID as a ROCK.
> Cable connections are the future of our sport, Like it or Not !!!
> (P.S.) I don't have a garage (only a carport) or a 6 figure bank
account (I
> think there is about $800 in it) so please don't get so damn sarcastic
and
> start calling people "clueless", they may be offended
> _
> Dave Long
> Memphis TN
> > I couldn't agree more Robert...
> > This is just another way to further segregate the allready thinly
> > spread on-line racing community..
> > I am sure this won't come to be, as any host that insists on only
> > allowing cable connections to his server, is not only clueless, but
> > also does not have the interests in promoting on-line play in mind
at
> > all..
> > There is nothing at all wrong with a dial-up connection for a client
> > Robert, as you well know. :) and a dial-up connection can be
equally
> > as good, or even better than a cable connection from a client's
> > viewpoint, when it is set up up right..
> > Maybe we should also ban anyone that doesn't have a 3 car garage and
a
> > 6 figure bank account as well..!!!
> > Sort of reminds me of the hosts who insist on setting latency
> > restrictions in GPL to less than 550ms as well, etc.. (see
clueless)
> > <G>
> > Cheers,
> > Ron
> > > Robert
> > > > This is a good idea.
> > > > -Larry
> > > > > Are there any N3 leagues being setup ? If so are any being
> > > restricted to
> > > > > Cable racers?
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dave Long
> > > > > Memphis TN
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
There's something about all this latency talk I'd really like to know.
I've read several posts indicating that you can have perfectly decent races
with latencies of 550ms, or even greater, and that drivers with these
latencies have no effect whatsoever on the quality of the race for other
drivers. I'm completely confused on this issue. All my on-line
experience, and not just with GPL, has been contrary to this. It's always
been the person with the high ping who's winking in and out. So, does it
come down to purely ping, or is it the quality of the connection, in terms
of consistency, that's the issue? I could see if a person had a
rock-steady latency of 550ms and never wavered, it would not be a problem.
But that seldom seems to be the case in my experience. The ping will be
all over the map, anywhere from under 100ms to over 1000ms. Is that where
the problems start? Any enlightenment on this topic would be greatly
appreciated.
As for cable only leagues, I remember when you could race N2 on Hawaii if
you had a decent modem and could afford the bucks for the call. I didn't
and couldn't, but I didn't bemoan the ones who could. That's life.
I don't have a garage. And I'm not really clueless.
Zog
> Sort of reminds me of the hosts who insist on setting latency
> restrictions in GPL to less than 550ms as well, etc.. (see clueless)
> <G>
> Cheers,
> Ron
> > Sorry if I'm stupid, but why restrict them to cable users? A regular
> > telephone modem may not have the capability of hosting 30 cars in a
> race
> > but you can join without causing troubles to others ? Right ?
> > Robert
> > > This is a good idea.
> > > -Larry
> > > > Are there any N3 leagues being setup ? If so are any being
> > restricted to
> > > > Cable racers?
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Long
> > > > Memphis TN
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Warping and poor on-line play are the result and mixture of poor
quality, lost packets, bad routers, poor latency, bad ISPs etc. etc.
It is better to have a medium latency figure with a good quality rating
than a low latency figure with a poor quality rating..
Finally i apologise to you and anyone else who may have figured that
they belong in the clueless catagory, through having latency capping
set too low in GPL on their hosts, but setting the latency capping
below 550, is not going to cure poor on-line play.
"Clueless", may have been a bit harsh, but at least it got some
response from a couple of concerned hosts. :)
If just a few hosts look at this post and try changing their latency
capping to a sensible level, then we as a sim racing community, are in
front..
Education regarding connection issues is needed more than latency
capping..
Latency capping doesn't cure the problems, it hides them...
Cheers,
Ron
In regards to wanting your on-line racing to be the best possible, i am
sure we all want that, but restricting clients to cable only, will not
make it better, only more selective of who can join or not.!!
There is nothing wrong at all with a good dial-up connection..
Lighten up and have a nice day. ..:)
Cheers,
Ron
> I do have a dial up connection with Concentric (as well as my newly
aquiered
> cable connection), and I did not say that there was anything wrong
with
> them. But, I AM a SERIOUS gamer when it comes to Racing and I want my
online
> experience to be the absolute best it can be. I am tierd of people
taking me
> out because of warps or BLAMMING warp for wrecking the field. I'm
sure there
> will be MANY leagues availible for Dial up racers, and I will be part
of
> them as well. I simply asked if there would be a league for Cable
racers to
> get the BEST posible racing expierence availible. I have raced with a
field
> of cable racers and the racing was SOLID as a ROCK.
> Cable connections are the future of our sport, Like it or Not !!!
> (P.S.) I don't have a garage (only a carport) or a 6 figure bank
account (I
> think there is about $800 in it) so please don't get so damn
sarcastic and
> start calling people "clueless", they may be offended
> _
> Dave Long
> Memphis TN
>I do have a dial up connection with Concentric (as well as my newly aquiered
>cable connection), and I did not say that there was anything wrong with
>them. But, I AM a SERIOUS gamer when it comes to Racing and I want my online
>experience to be the absolute best it can be. I am tierd of people taking me
>out because of warps or BLAMMING warp for wrecking the field. I'm sure there
>will be MANY leagues availible for Dial up racers, and I will be part of
>them as well. I simply asked if there would be a league for Cable racers to
>get the BEST posible racing expierence availible. I have raced with a field
>of cable racers and the racing was SOLID as a ROCK.
>Cable connections are the future of our sport, Like it or Not !!!
>(P.S.) I don't have a garage (only a carport) or a 6 figure bank account (I
>think there is about $800 in it) so please don't get so damn sarcastic and
>start calling people "clueless", they may be offended
>_
>Dave Long
>Memphis TN
>> I couldn't agree more Robert...
>> This is just another way to further segregate the allready thinly
>> spread on-line racing community..
>> I am sure this won't come to be, as any host that insists on only
>> allowing cable connections to his server, is not only clueless, but
>> also does not have the interests in promoting on-line play in mind at
>> all..
>> There is nothing at all wrong with a dial-up connection for a client
>> Robert, as you well know. :) and a dial-up connection can be equally
>> as good, or even better than a cable connection from a client's
>> viewpoint, when it is set up up right..
>> Maybe we should also ban anyone that doesn't have a 3 car garage and a
>> 6 figure bank account as well..!!!
>> Sort of reminds me of the hosts who insist on setting latency
>> restrictions in GPL to less than 550ms as well, etc.. (see clueless)
>> <G>
>> Cheers,
>> Ron
>> > Sorry if I'm stupid, but why restrict them to cable users? A regular
>> > telephone modem may not have the capability of hosting 30 cars in a
>> race
>> > but you can join without causing troubles to others ? Right ?
>> > Robert
>> > > This is a good idea.
>> > > -Larry
>> > > > Are there any N3 leagues being setup ? If so are any being
>> > restricted to
>> > > > Cable racers?
>> > > > --
>> > > > Dave Long
>> > > > Memphis TN
>> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
I usually do not get involved in these argue-complain type posts but
*Ron* where did you get your info below? I have both a good 56k
dial-up modem with a good ISP & I also have a top cable modem
provider. There is no comparison!