rec.autos.simulators

Has any got or used the Logitech Wingman wheel? Does it have separate axis
on the pedals?

Any info would be useful.

Thanks,

Scott

Yes, the pedals can be configured for separate axes. It is an option in the
Logitech driver software. The wheel is execellent, the smoothest force feedback
wheel I have tried. The forces are a little weaker than some, but strong enough
for the intended purpose.

The big drawback with the Logitech are the pedals. They have too short travel,
only about 1 inch for the brake, and weak springs. The springs can be swapped
out for stronger ones purchased at Home Depot or other hardware store, but I
have not read of anyone modifying the hardware to increase the pedal travel.
Also, the CTFJ utility may be a good way to improve the apparent sensitivity of
the brake, see the thread a page or so above this one.

Note that you can plug the Logitech into a USB port, and still use other pedals
on the gameport. This might not work in all games, but it does work in GPL.

Keith.

I bought a Logitech FF and the wheel itself was great.  Very precise.

But as mentioned by Keith, the pedals are horrible.  No travel and too
sensitive.

I returned them to the store for a complete refund and I'm still using my
trusty old T2 until something better with FF comes along.  I'm tempted by
the ARC Labs but have yet to see one in a store.

=:-D

One problem....The guy who wrote negatively on the short travel of the pedals
is NOT Jacques Villeneuve.  And If he does have Jacques skill for "adjusting"
then he most certainly wouldn't be driving simple SIM games.  
    We'd be watching that guy on the tele on Sunday driving against Jacques!

Jacques is pretty bad in the wet though, and it ain't suprising with that
little travel.

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Absolutely correct. There is nothing wrong with the logitech pedals.
I am not that great of a sim driver but I am somehow dealing with it.
In fact I don't even give it a second thought.

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How do you know?

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Jacques!

If the pedals are so good, why do you have to get used to them? Good pedals feel
natural from the outset.

Keith.

Correct. I always thought the logitech pedals were good.

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well I would suppose Driving a Dodge Vip[err afterr getting out of your Geo
Metro wouldn't feel all that natural at first, and you would have to learn
to drive it (racing conditions here) but the Viper obviously outperfoms the
metro. So then something dosn't have to come automatic and without learning
to be good. A good example is GPL, who here felt naturalk the first time
they drove it and started turning consistent laps right away, so I ask
you...

If GPL is so good, why do you have to get used to it?

On Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:01:10 -0400, "Piotr Tysowski"

Good post -- after trying a variety of pedals, I've reached the
conclusion that you have to "re-learn" how to use each individual set,
regardless of how "good" they are.  In switching from my NASCAR Pro
pedals (which rate low on my scale) to the TSW2 pedals, it still took
a bit of getting used to, and I had to adapt to the pedal's different
arc and travel before I could start to equal my previous times.  Ditto
every other set of pedals I've ever used.  

For me, it matters most if they pretty much stay put on their own.  If
they tip or tilt when you push on the pedals, that's entirely
unacceptable to me.  Other than that, I've found that I can adapt very
nicely regardless of the travel, pedal size, tension, etc., but in
every instance, there is that learning curve that you have to work
through before you can be truly comfortable with the pedals.

-- JB

Sorry, Keith -- I've got to disagree.  REAL pedals in a car all feel
"natural" because the layout from car to car is virtually identical,
regardless of whether you're talking about a Yugo or a Corvette.  Sim
pedals aren't all created equal in that sense, but they all pretty
much work equally well.  

Here's an example:  I've never tried the ECCI pedals, but I wouldn't
even begin to suggest that they're anything other than the very best
pedals on the market (they had BETTER be, for the price).  However,
the ECCI pedals would require quite a learning curve for me because I
am not a two-footed driver (I use my right foot for both brake and
throttle).  Also, I find that the ECCI pedal's angle looks a bit
strange to me.  Even my TSW pedals took some getting used to, because
of the different tensioning, different amount of travel, etc.

In the end, there's always a bit of learning curve -- and the same
applies to the wheels themselves, although to a somewhat lesser
degree.

-- JB

As it was said several times in this NG: You can get used to it. I use
my toe for the brake pedal - woks great, very sensitive.

Jens

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I have used four different sets of pedals. Logitech, Thrustmaster T2, CH and
TSW. The Logitech are by far the worst - in my opinion. Only the Logitech had a
big learning curve - in my opinion. They only have one problem - lack of travel
on the brake pedal - in my opinion.

If someone else likes the Logitech pedals, great for them. They should not feel
threatened by my dislike of them. Race on, dudes.

Keith.

:> But as mentioned by Keith, the pedals are horrible.  No travel and too
:> sensitive.

: You know, I've heard many, many complaints about the short travel of the
: Logitech pedals. But to put things into perspective, here's what I found in
: June's F1 Racing magazine:

: Jacques Villeneuve uses just 1.7 cm (that's 2/3 of an inch) of throttle
: travel, according to Patrick head. "Interestingly," said the Williams tech
: director, "his traces reveal that his throttle sensitivity is as good as
: anyone else's."

: So how do you account for that? Once you get used to them, I think you can
: learn to control the Logitech pedals with a great deal of precision.

  You did miss out the next line of the article which went on to suggest
that this small amount of travel could explain his lack of ability in
the wet where sensitive throttle control is more important.

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