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by **Lutrel** » Sat, 13 Nov 1999 04:00:00

So I finally got a FF wheel to see for myself how good the FF is in racing sims. I got a Logitec Wingman Formula Force. The box said
new upgraded spring for a realistic experience. The brake pedal spring was way too light to feel like a real brake so first thing I
did was put a stronger spring in.
Anyway, I tried GPL and the FF effects do not seem exactly right for what I expected as real car feel. I think maybe I am not
setting something correctly because when I try adjusting the spring or damping effects it still feels the same, but I can feel a big
difference outside of GPL. I can adjust the overall effects setting and change how strong the FF is in GPL. I also tried changing
the core.ini lines 'force_feedback_damping' and 'max_steering_torque', but do not see any change.
The problem I have with how it feels is that it has very heavy or strong return spring feel when I put the overall FF effect above
50% , but at less than 50% I get very little effect from crashing or berms or any other forces.
Also the forces that I am getting seem to be more like the force of the roll of the car as if the steering was connected to the
anti-rollbar. It should be more of the forces of weight transfer to the front wheels. For example when I stomp on the throttle, the
weight transfers to the rear and you see the front suspension droop as it gets lighter, so the steering should feel lighter also.
Instead I feel the weight of the car leanig side to side and no change with throttle or even with hard braking or understeer.
If there is a way to change this or adjust the spring return effect please let me know.

Lutrell :-)

DSR # 74
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Dave Henri** » Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:00:00

make sure you are using at least version 3.20 of the logi drivers.
They provide a bit more oompf. also allison(eagle woman) has a BIG faq
on ff and settings for the logitech wheel. It ffeels good. :)
dave henrie

> So I finally got a FF wheel to see for myself how good the FF is in racing sims. I got a Logitec Wingman Formula Force. The box said
> new upgraded spring for a realistic experience. The brake pedal spring was way too light to feel like a real brake so first thing I
> did was put a stronger spring in.
> Anyway, I tried GPL and the FF effects do not seem exactly right for what I expected as real car feel. I think maybe I am not
> setting something correctly because when I try adjusting the spring or damping effects it still feels the same, but I can feel a big
> difference outside of GPL. I can adjust the overall effects setting and change how strong the FF is in GPL. I also tried changing
> the core.ini lines 'force_feedback_damping' and 'max_steering_torque', but do not see any change.
> The problem I have with how it feels is that it has very heavy or strong return spring feel when I put the overall FF effect above
> 50% , but at less than 50% I get very little effect from crashing or berms or any other forces.
> Also the forces that I am getting seem to be more like the force of the roll of the car as if the steering was connected to the
> anti-rollbar. It should be more of the forces of weight transfer to the front wheels. For example when I stomp on the throttle, the
> weight transfers to the rear and you see the front suspension droop as it gets lighter, so the steering should feel lighter also.
> Instead I feel the weight of the car leanig side to side and no change with throttle or even with hard braking or understeer.
> If there is a way to change this or adjust the spring return effect please let me know.

> Lutrell :-)

> DSR # 74
> http://insideracingtechnology.com/dsr1.htm

by **Lutrel** » Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Thanks, I had the latest patches so that wasn't the problem. I did not think changing the core.ini setting would work, but after
reading the FAQ on FF I saw that larger 'max steering torque values' actually give less steering effort :-p . That and the fact that
GPL does not use the Logitecs spring centering , but uses the simulated cenrifical force of the wheels spinning to increase wheel
effort. I tried the sugested settings, readjusted them a bit for me and now it works a lot better. I even can feel the steering get
lighter with understeer :-) .
Lutrell
DSR # 74
http://insideracingtechnology.com/dsr1.htm

> make sure you are using at least version 3.20 of the logi drivers.
>They provide a bit more oompf. also allison(eagle woman) has a BIG faq
>on ff and settings for the logitech wheel. It ffeels good. :)
>dave henrie

>> So I finally got a FF wheel to see for myself how good the FF is in racing sims. I got a Logitec Wingman Formula Force. The box
said
>> new upgraded spring for a realistic experience. The brake pedal spring was way too light to feel like a real brake so first thing
I
>> did was put a stronger spring in.
>> Anyway, I tried GPL and the FF effects do not seem exactly right for what I expected as real car feel. I think maybe I am not
>> setting something correctly because when I try adjusting the spring or damping effects it still feels the same, but I can feel a
big
>> difference outside of GPL. I can adjust the overall effects setting and change how strong the FF is in GPL. I also tried changing
>> the core.ini lines 'force_feedback_damping' and 'max_steering_torque', but do not see any change.
>> The problem I have with how it feels is that it has very heavy or strong return spring feel when I put the overall FF effect
above
>> 50% , but at less than 50% I get very little effect from crashing or berms or any other forces.
>> Also the forces that I am getting seem to be more like the force of the roll of the car as if the steering was connected to the
>> anti-rollbar. It should be more of the forces of weight transfer to the front wheels. For example when I stomp on the throttle,
the
>> weight transfers to the rear and you see the front suspension droop as it gets lighter, so the steering should feel lighter also.
>> Instead I feel the weight of the car leanig side to side and no change with throttle or even with hard braking or understeer.
>> If there is a way to change this or adjust the spring return effect please let me know.

>> Lutrell :-)

>> DSR # 74
>> http://insideracingtechnology.com/dsr1.htm

by **don hodgdo** » Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:00:00

This is what I've finally settled on for my LWFF. I downloaded DXTweak from
the wingman site:
http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/Gadgets/gadgets.htm
and used it to set the windoze deadzone to 0.

I left the core.ini FF values as they were in core.ini.sample and shut off
the Profiler software. The Profiler seems to introduce a deadzone of it's
own that I can't completely eliminate, GPL is tough enough without sloppy
steering<g>.

Next, in the GPL Options, I choose direct input, moved the linear slider to
about 3cm from the left, recalibrated my steering and pedals and reassigned
the wheel buttons. Now the steering is tight and precise and it's much
easier to control the car. After some practice time I played with the
core.ini settings and backed off the FF effects just a bit. I began using
this about a month ago and I have set new PBLs at every track I've been to,
but more importantly, I am able to run consistant laps and I spend much less
time upside down in the grass<g>.

I would like to be able to use the LWFF Profiler software, but I can't stand
the deadzone in the steering. I'll trade the convenience of assigning
keystrokes to the wheel buttons for more precise steering anytime.

don

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>So I finally got a FF wheel to see for myself how good the FF is in racing

sims. I got a Logitec Wingman Formula Force. The box said
way too light to feel like a real brake so first thing I
expected as real car feel. I think maybe I am not
damping effects it still feels the same, but I can feel a big
change how strong the FF is in GPL. I also tried changing
do not see any change.
return spring feel when I put the overall FF effect above
or any other forces.
roll of the car as if the steering was connected to the
front wheels. For example when I stomp on the throttle, the
gets lighter, so the steering should feel lighter also.
throttle or even with hard braking or understeer.

rec.autos.simulators

Settings for Logitec WFF with GPL ?

Settings for Logitec WFF with GPL ?

Settings for Logitec WFF with GPL ?

Settings for Logitec WFF with GPL ?

Settings for Logitec WFF with GPL ?