rec.autos.simulators

    The first (cheap) way is to get the new ACT LABS pedals. Is there any
problems doing this? From reading their site it sounds like to me you need a
game capable of seeing 2 controllers to use a set up like this. I don't
think this would be a problem with any of the titles I have, but does anyone
know of some were it is a problem? The nice part about this is I can spread
the cost out over time although it would cost more in the end.

    The second way is to get the full ACT LABS package. Can you get the new
pedals without getting the old ones? It looked/sounded like that you would
still get the old ones as well. Also if you don't get the old ones and still
want a split axis setup will it wok ok? I took it from the website that with
the new pedals hooked up in place of the originals you can only have
combined brake/accel axis. Can I hook up the new pedals with USB and not
have the originals under the desk? I have limited floor space and two sets
of pedal under my desk would be a problem.

TIA
MadDAWG

You can not order the wheel without the old pedals. Yes, from what I
understand you are correct on the split axis with using USB.

SLG

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and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
due to too many English classes/teachers)

Yeah website is showing back ordered now :(   Just trying to make up my mind
what I want to do. I was thinking about TSW because I want a larger dia
wheel, but I like FF as well. I did find a website that shows you how to
install a aftermarket wheel to an ACT LAB wheel so I think I may have a
winner, now I just got to pay for it. :)

MadDAWG

The Act Labs pedals show up as a separate controller, so I assume
they'll only work with sims that can recognize a second controller.  GPL
works fine, as does F1 2001.

I think you'll still need to have the old pedals, unless you can remove
them from the Act Labs wheel.  In the case of the Logitech, the power
and other circuits run through the pedals, so I have to leave them
attached.  But I put them back out of the way, since they aren't used
unless I want to run some game that can't see two controllers.  

Hopefully you can find someplace for them, maybe leaning up against a
wall or something.

Alison

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Ken

Have I got this right, there is no way to get separate axis on pedals in
games that don't support two controllers?

I hook up the pedals USB, they are a separate device and only those game
supporting two controllers work.

I hook up the pedals to the RS Force, and no separate axis.

This pretty much sucks. I'm going to use my LWFF (with it's heavily
modded pedals!) and the Act Labs pedals, I guess, and will only be able
to use the Act Labs pedals in games that support two controllers.

If I'm missing something, can someone tell me what?

Right now I'm doing rally games, RC2000, CMR2, and hopefully later this
week, RT. Can't use the new pedals, haven't been able to use them YET!
Sigh......
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I hear on AL Forums that I can hook up my pedals to the Force RS, and
the clutch to USB adapter/USB. With an old v2.1 cartridge (nearly ALL
out there?), I'm s'posed to be able to get split axis for gas/brake and
have wheel/gas/brake show as one device..

It's a PITA to uninstall Logitech software, plug all the AL stuff back
up and try, but I'm gonna give it a go soon. If that works, and I can
get separate axis for gas/brake, I'll be relatively happy since I can
use it that way in games that don't support two controllers.

If it doesn't work, uninstall all AL stuff, reinstall all Logi stuff,
sigh......again.

Later

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:54:51 GMT, "Stephen Smith"

Forgot to mention all those rally sims that may or may not recognize two
controllers.  (In the Rally Trophy demo, I couldn't even get it to recognize
one joystick, much less a wheel and/or one set of pedals...or, as they spell
it universally on the Internet, "peddles.")

Sure enough, if you connect AL Performance Pedal pedal connector to the
wheel, and connect the clutch connector to the USB adapter, you get two
controllers in Game Controllers, one is just the clutch. The wheel/pedal
thing can have split axis, so it works in games that support only one
controller and still let you have separate axis control.

Cool, I'm happy now. I like the AL pedals WAY better in the Rally sims
I'm currently playing. I kind of like my modded LWFF wheel a little
better, it's a bit smoother with the ball bearings in it, but the LWFF
pedals, even heavily modded with springs and bumpers, suck compared to
these AL pedals. I will learn to love the Force RS wheel. Forces are
nice, stronger (?), just not as smooth, kind of notchy. But, even tho'
I've had it for a year or so, I haven't used it much because the
original AL pedals sucked worse than the original LWFF pedals!! I think
that's telling us something!

David Cook