rec.autos.simulators

First, both drivers were told long before the end of the race to ease up,
not push, and not "race" each other. RB was not in a fight to the finish
with MS, only to be robbed of a win in the last 100 meters as so many want
to insist. In fact, MS was roobed of a chance for a legitimate win (I'm sure
the MS bashers will not show him lot's of sympathy for that), while RB would
of been forced into an illegitimate win if MS hadn't been ordered to pass.
Once they were told to hold back, not race each other, and preserve their
brakes, etc., the race was over between the two of them, and we have no way
of knowing who would of actually won. This is a HUGE fact that is being
ignored by most of the whiners.

Second, teammates have had their finishing position manipulated 1,000 of
times in every series that has teammates since the 50's (and even during the
beloved 60's). One teammate will hold back, sacrificing
their chance at the win, and block so the other can pull away and win a
race, or simply not challenge their teammate at all (as Waltrip has done
with Earnhardt). Teams
will intentionally***up the pit stops to switch drivers. Teammates don't
race each other with the same intensity or tactics they race another
competitor. Sometimes one teammate will simply slow down and/or pretend to
***up to let the other by. All the above is NO different than what RB and
MS did, except that it looks less obvious. Who cares what it looks like? The
results are the same, and only a fool doesn't understand that.

I know Ferrari/MS bashers got a boner over what happened Sunday and couldn't
control their reactions, but hopefully they can get a grip on themselves and
relax a little bit soon.
--
David G Fisher

Although, I'm not so sure the "ranting and raving" is a joke....as much as
it is based on a complete ignorance of the business side of professional
motor racing.

You points are all well made and "right-on!"

TP

How come MS set the fastest lap of the race with 2 laps to go, then?

And to me, that stinks.

Phillip

Hardly surprising, as F1 caters for the lowest form of motor racing fan.

Yeah, much as it pains me ;)

Cheers

Gerry

Remember Ralf's glum face at Spa when he was told not to challenge Damon - he
was probably quicker during the closing stages.

You are right David it has gone on for years. Senna did it for Berger in the
Mclaren as a thank you, Mansell tried to do it for Patrese in Italy. Far more
subtle moves will have been made without us knowing.

Barrichello clearly wanted to make the point leaving it to the last metres.
Ferrari badly misjudged public reaction IMO. They should have engineered
something a little bit more subtle like Rubens having a perceived problem &
losing speed a few laps from home!

True, but having _your_ drivers, dressed from top to toe in _your_ logos,
boo-ed on the podium, taken the***out of in the press conference and end
up having _your_ World Champion "tainted" after the season can't be good for
business. People had only just about stopped talking about Michael's earlier
winning tactics.

Don't encourage him. <g>

Jan.
=---

  One thing that'll probably come out of this; any diehard F1 fan that
whines about Nascar has their head up their arse<G>

-John

You should know better than to watch F1 then ;)

And I agree with David btw. nothing new in team orders. Barichello just got
even with the bosses by making Ferrari look stupid instead of slowing down
over a few laps, not really a clever move by him, but he was probably a bit
too furious to care at the time. I bet Barichello now wished he had done it
the usual way and taken a longer pitstop or something like that, he is loyal
enough to Ferrari to not want this negative PR IMHO.

Mikkel

  I don't know.  Dave's obviously got valid points, but what I find
humerous, is all the(and don't mean Dave here), "But, if, and, ah, maybe, "
stuff from folks "defending" what happened.  A bit to much like Clinton's
"Depends what your definition of is, is" rhetoric to me <G>
  A lot of attempts to convince themselves what happened was ok, nothing to
worry about, IMO.

  In other words, since the VAST majority of people think what happened
stinks...........if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, then it
must be...............<G>
  Or as we say out here in the Western U.S..............you can put whipped
cream on horseshit, but it's still horseshit underneath<G>

-John

p.s.  Again for the record, I like F1, believe it or not<G>

--

Fester

"The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If
  they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff
  it."     -- Stirling Moss

Achim

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