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I'd like to SCREAM about the idiotic FIA steward (I think he is Charlie
Whiting or something like that) who put the penalty on JPM for his
"dangerous move" at the start...

How can the guy at the OUTSIDE make a dangerous move AFTER he has taken his
apex, he is going AWAY from the inside of the corner when MS hits him...

Moreover I just saw the incam from RB and it is CLEAR that it is MS who is
going "wide" to force JPM out, the point is that after the first RH corner
there is a VERY tight LH, so JPM being on the outside slightly in front of
MS had the PERFECT position to put his nose in the inside of the LH.

I am no fan of either of them and I don't really care about the result, MS
will be world champion again this year but I think FIA is getting to be more
and more ridiculous with every race, they didn't do anything in Melbourne
after the start crash so they figured out "we have to do something this
time", in this case could someone, preferably from FIA explain why Panis
didn't get anything for his "dangerous move" with De la Rosa and why Soong
didn't get the same for his "dangerous move" on Irvine...maybe you only get
penalized when you do something to a red car and not to a green one ?

Can someone confirm if this Charlie FIA guy is the same who was deciding in
Nurburgring 2 years ago for the penatly RS got wy exiting the pits over the
yellow line ?

Thx

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What's very interesting to me is the fact that while the FIA seems to have a
history of being very "controlling" over their product (the weekend show),
the teams, the drivers, the manufacturers, the "rules"........but not the TV
broadcast.....seems such a huge contradiction.....to me, at least!  I'm
primarily a NASCAR racing fan (that's what I tend to watch on TV), but
because of F1-2001 (I'm running the F1 season championship...offline....with
a group of racing buddies)....I'm now watching more F1 than ever before in
my life.  If it wasn't the for the fact that I'm a *** racing
fan...driver....sim driver, etc.  I'd never watch F1 on TV again.....after
Malaysia.  That was the worst TV coverage of a major racing event I've ever
seen.  They cover 10-year olds racing go-Karts better on the Speed Channel
every weekend here in the USA!

Why doesn't F1 have its own "traveling" broadcast team (in front of, and
behind the camera), equipment, and network package?  The on-camera talent
would become more known to the drivers, better interviews and
"behind-the-scenes" coverage would be available.  And, every car should have
(mandated) an in-car camera (much like NASCAR does).  The "feed" could be
given to the local networks in the "event country".......and the advertising
package would be so much easier to promote and sell by the world-wide
networks.  It just doesn't make sense the way they do it now.....and this is
the era of modern racing?  Not in the FIA world....obviously.  Bernie needs
to step aside and let some innovation come into the sport.  He would also be
well advised to allow it to be run as a "business"......requiring ROI
decisions......not a huge money-losing freak show!  And, IMHO....its not
even a good "freak show."

Next....they'll attempt to reduce costs by implementing a "single engine
rule."  Will that reduce costs?  Not a chance.  (The explanation is obvious,
IMHO.)  What would reduce costs is to require the F1 teams to operate at a
profit (or break-even as a minimum) and then give them the correct "tools"
to allow them to do this.  It would also balance the competition on the
track.....and eliminate the ridiculous amounts paid to the driver(s)....like
$40 million a year to MS.  What's wrong with that picture?  Let me
see....hhhhmmmm.....how many "extra" Ferrari's does Ferrari have to sell
(just because MS drives for them) to "earn" MS's driving salary?  Let's
guess they make $10K profit on every car they sell (on average)....that's
only 4,000 "extra" car sales.....just because MS drives for them.  Do they
even sell 4,000 cars...total...in a year?  Probably.

Oh well, what the F...k do I know?  Nothing.

Tom

PS:  Anybody see the explanation for Button loosing a 7 second lead to MS on
the last lap (for the third podium spot)?

"Tom Pabst" > PS:  Anybody see the explanation for Button loosing a 7 second
lead to MS on
  I have a theory but it involves Xfiles and conspiracies.  Lets just say
when team red asks you to pull over, what do you do??(especially if you hope
to be the #2 driver there in a year or two)
dave henrie

class.

True but I would like to know what he would have said if JPM hadnd't spoken
before him (but i'm really being over suspicious here)

championship...offline....with

They do, all the "official" camera people are FOCA people, sometimes you can
see some of them on the other TV's coverage of the starting grid for
example, they dress in black overalls with a FOCA logo on the back that
looks like a movie clip board, the only problem is that the "final cut" goes
to the "local" director unless you have a digital feed where you have the 6
channels + the data feed (the most interesting but the less spectacular)

 >And, every car should have

100% true.

Well, it did the trick in DTM, what they could ALSO do is kill all the
electronics and front wings, but the front wings are VERY important for the
sponsors and Ron DENNIS won't hear of it until he's gone from F1.
The next step (2008 still a long time away) is that the constructors are
going to have their own championship OUTSIDE of FIA, this weekend there was
a VERY interesting interview of P.FAURE (CEO RENAULT F1) and he was saying
that "everything" must change, the media rights (kirch who owns them is
almost bankrupt), the rules, everything, if the costs are coming down then
the manufacturers will be able to support them ALMOST without sponsors and
THEN the front wings will go and the grip will go and we will have racing
again

They make profit, at least the big ones do, in fact they have so much money
at ferrari, Williams, McLaren and so on they don't know what to do with
it...

They probably make much more than that, Ferrari is owned by FIAT and the
drivers at Ferrari have been paid by Malboro since the late 80's if i recall
well, but it's true that the salaries are ridiculous, on the other hand in
NASCAR they are paid much less but they have BIG bonuses for victories and
so on, which is a better solution in my idea.

Not wanting to be teasing here (well ok, YES I DO) but on the digital feed
we ALSO have the team radios from ALL the teams...except....Ferrari and
McLaren...so here's what Jenson said after the finish line :

JB "I had no traction on the left handers for the 2 last laps"
Engineer "We saw nothing on the engine side"
JB "It was not the engine, maybe transmission or a slow puncture"
Engineer "Good drive anyway..."

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Apparently an element of his rear suspension failed, leaving only three
wheels in contact with the track.  Fortunately he was able to keep fourth -
great result for Button and for Renault...

Well, AFAIK they're not currently beamed to NA so there'd be a charge for
additional satellite time.  Also, Bernie would want a fortune in fees.  That
said, I have digital cable and would probably pay a steep fee to try Digital
F1 at least once.

Even if we got the digital feed in NA, it'd mean a lot more cost for
SpeedVision and TSN to have crews doing real-time switching.  As it is now
you just have to stick three idiots in front of a monitor and a microphone.
TSN goes that one less by using the ITV audio... which I prefer really to
Canadian commentary anyway.

Dale.

With F1 in Bernieland you have the choice, you can get 2 packages.

1) The "cheap" one with 1 feed mixed locally, 2 in car cams, only the race
(no time practices...) and I think you don't have also the press conference
after the race and time practice.

2) the "good" one with 6-7 feeds, all in car cams, all the sessions and
everything...you should see one race like that, they have one channel which
is used only for the incar cam (it changes car every 3-4 mins) WITHOUT any
commentary...looks as good as the GPL videos...

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One the main channel you have what would be the "international" feed (but
with a different director), on the "second" channel you have the "back
fights" you should have seen this one today with JPM and MS coming back, I
think JPM passed the 2 jordans in 1 corner, the first one on the outside and
the 2nd one on the inside, he was looking like me in F1RC when I'm in great
shape...on the 3rd channel you have the incar cam, then the pits, then the
data screen and then the "patchwork", sometimes you even have another one on
the track...

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Canadians, if you want a taste of BernieTV go to Future Shop (or elsewhere)
and look for a F1 2001 season highlight DVD.  As near as I can tell (I've
only seen snippets of Euro digital coverage) this DVD is made up of edited
FOCA footage.

Dale.

I agree that it was an appalling decision from the race stewards, but then
it isn't the first time... they seem to over react or not react at all. In
my opinion after watching the incident more than a few times, it is clear
that MS hits JPM, not the other way round. If anything should be done it's
MS extreme manoeuvres across the track at the start... one day he's gonna do
some serious damage to another driver with his antics.

But then the sooner they do something about reforming the sport the
better... lower wages, better performance related bonus' for emphasis on
racing rather than follow my leader.

Heckler

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On (terrestrial) ITV in the UK, we get live qualifying, live race and
the press conferences. The presentation itself is pretty reasonable
(and I like Martin Brundle a lot), *but* the actual race footage is not
good enough.

Is there another sport in the world where (terrestrial) coverage has
got *worse* since 1995? I've been watching a few Suzuka races from
about then, and there's *far* more in-car footage, on-screen data etc
than we get in 2002.

I've no problem with making the digital feed better, but making the
normal feed worse at the same time is pathetic. It doesn't encourage me
to buy BernieTV (even if I could) - it encourages me to stop watching
F1 entirely.

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I remember just a few years ago when the F1 year in review came out on video
tape and was over $60! :-)