won't cut it. I can't afford a new computer, so what is a good video card? I
also need a wheel and pedal setup. Preferably one that's been proven to work
with GP2 also. Thanks.
Joel
Joel
If you plan on keeping your P233MMx for at least six months get a 3Dfx Voodoo
1. should be $85 or less.
If you plan on upgrading to a Pentium II and keeping the video cards then get a
Voodoo 2 12Mb card. The Voodoo 2 is no faster on a Pentium 233 than the Voodoo
1 at 640 x 480. The Voodoo 2 will allow you to run at 800 x 600 but the
Pentium may not be fast enough to keep up. The Voodoo 2 will scale up nicely
with faster processors where as the Voodoo 1 will run at it's max with a
Pentium 233.
I have both Voodoo cards and they are the best 3D solutions for people like you
who have a Matrox 2D card. You should be able to play GPL fine with a Voodoo 1
and P233MMX. I ran the demo with a K6-233 and Voodoo 1 all summer and got
great frame rates at 640 x 480.
Best Data has the 4MB Voodoo 1 card, same performance as the Diamond Monster 3D
for just $49.99 plus shipping. They also have their Voodoo 2 card for $169.99
look here:
http://shop.merchantwave.com/catalog/PC000053/G30171304
You should be able to buy both GPL and a Voodoo 1 card for about $100. Plus
you should be able to play any game on the market right now with that
combination.
I would buy the 4MB Voodoo 1 for the P233 as it's the best match for your
system.
For a comparison of performance between the Voodoo 1 and Voodoo 2 I ran the
timedemo of Unreal, the torcher test of 3D games, and report the avg framerate
during the Nali Castle Flyby
On a 400 Mhz Pentium II:
Voodoo 1 (4MB)
512 x 384 28FPS avg.
640 x 480 22FPS avg.
Voodoo 2 (12MB)
512 x 384 44FPS avg.
640 x 480 39FPS avg.
800 x 600 28FPS avg
On my K6-233:
Voodoo 1 (4MB)
512 x 384 20FPS avg.
640 x 480 18FPS avg.
Voodoo 2 (12MB)
512 x 384 22FPS avg.
640 x 480 20FPS avg.
800 x 600 ??FPS avg forgot to run it sorry
The Voodoo 2 really scales up the performance with the faster MHZ chips, but on
a 233MHz machine your not going to get your money's worth.
As for the wheel and Pedal setup, I would look for the T2 by thrustmaster.
Well maybe not the best out there your get a lot for the money. Got mine for
$49 after $30 rebate this spring not sure of the price lately. Thrustmaster is
a great compnay they sent me replacement bungee cord, guides, and springs for
NO CHARGE. I haven't needed the replacement parts yet but the bungee cord is
close to being worn out and I had heard that the springs for the pedals will
fail over time. I also have the CH pedals and a homemade wheel setup that I
built that work well but the CH pedals have too short of travel.. For Xmas
I'm going to get the Microsoft Force Feedback steering wheel and pedals. This
looks like the best thing coming out before Xmas.
Good Luck,
Jerry
Cheers!
Marc
> I desperately need to play GPL, but my P1 233mmx, Matrox Millenum II 4MB
> won't cut it. I can't afford a new computer, so what is a good video card? I
> also need a wheel and pedal setup. Preferably one that's been proven to work
> with GP2 also. Thanks.
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> A Hercules Thriller is reportedly the better of the cards for GPL, and
> is less expensive than a Voodoo-II. Colors in the sim will be more
> vibrant, as opposed to the "washed-out" look of V-II cards.
l8er
ronny
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>>I desperately need to play GPL, but my P1 233mmx, Matrox
>>Millenum II 4MB won't cut it. I can't afford a new computer,
>>so what is a good video card? I also need a wheel and pedal
>>setup. Preferably one that's been proven to work with GP2
>>also. Thanks.
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Cheers!
Marc
> I can say that I'm not impressed at all with my Reactor's performance in
> GPL. It never goes above 13fps on my P2/333. It would be REAL hard to
> convince me that a V2200 card would be any (or much) better. Thank
> goodness I have a Voodoo2 card too (36fps).
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> I can say that I'm not impressed at all with my Reactor's performance in
> GPL. It never goes above 13fps on my P2/333. It would be REAL hard to
> convince me that a V2200 card would be any (or much) better. Thank
> goodness I have a Voodoo2 card too (36fps).
That's strange - my old reactor on a 233 mmx gets about 20-25 fps in
training with all grahics(forward - just cars in mirror) on. Do you
have the latest drivers for it?
Just curious.
Don Clawson
DonCl on TEN
>>I can say that I'm not impressed at all with my Reactor's
>>performance in GPL. It never goes above 13fps on my P2/333.
>>It would be REAL hard to convince me that a V2200 card
>>would be any (or much) better. Thank goodness I have a
>>Voodoo2 card too (36fps).
>That's strange - my old reactor on a 233 mmx gets about 20-25 fps in
>training with all grahics(forward - just cars in mirror) on. Do you
>have the latest drivers for it?
I haven't tried it at 640x480 yet (with the Reactor card).
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I concur with Mark's friend. I bought a Herc shortly after Alison
posted some notes about its performance with herGP legends testing.
I've always liked the image from the Reactor card and the new one is
just as good. I have an SLI Monster 3d2 setup but have abandoned it
for the Herc V2200. I get 36 fps from it with everything on and the
slider for distance a little to the right of center. I like the image
better. I get some slowdown in some cases but I think this is due to
the limited (128k) secondary cache that my celeronA has. I am running
a 300 at 450 with fast CAS2 125 mhz memory. I would guess that a
full bore 450 with the 256k cache would do the deed.
Jeff
>>Funny, my buddy replaced his Reactor with a Hercules, and said GPL's fps
>>improved significantly - saying the card was worth every penny. BTW,
>>he also has a Monster V-II, but prefers the Herc. System is a standard
>>P-200MMX.
>>> It would be REAL hard to
>>> convince me that a V2200 card would be any (or much) better. Thank
>>> goodness I have a Voodoo2 card too (36fps).
>I concur with Mark's friend. I bought a Herc shortly after Alison
>posted some notes about its performance with herGP legends testing.
>I've always liked the image from the Reactor card and the new one is
>just as good. I have an SLI Monster 3d2 setup but have abandoned it
>for the Herc V2200. I get 36 fps from it with everything on and the
>slider for distance a little to the right of center. I like the image
>better. I get some slowdown in some cases but I think this is due to
>the limited (128k) secondary cache that my celeronA has. I am running
>a 300 at 450 with fast CAS2 125 mhz memory. I would guess that a
>full bore 450 with the 256k cache would do the deed.
>Jeff
The buddie steps in....yes a hecules is a ton better if you have a P-200MMx.
And I perfer it over the M3D 2 by far.
Mike Dunn
Setting the gamma level with my Voodoo2 gives me as rich of colors as my
Rendition card. While they both have different "feel" to the colors, I
wouldn't say that the Voodoo2 is "washed-out".
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% But the V2 has MUCH better software support, I know as I still have a
% Rendition board, too. So if you only play GPL, N2 or ICR2, go for the
% Rendition, otherwise V2 or Banshee.
If you don't have a PII, stick with a Rendition v2200 board, you'll get
better performance in GPL.
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